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Re: [semanticweb] Real World Semantic Web Tools?

From: Les Juhasz <lj@progos.hu>
Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2004 17:12:29 +0100
Message-ID: <402BA5ED.7060304@progos.hu>
To: Mansur Darlington <ensmjd@bath.ac.uk>
Cc: semanticweb@yahoogroups.com, kaw@swi.psy.uva.nl, www-rdf-interest@w3.org


The SW will bring numerous benefits to all people and machines handling 
information, endless (Metcalf) if one considers web services as nodes of 
information, as they can carry out processes and make decisions based on 
reasoning ontologies. But unfortunately, the current tools available 
don't provide yet a seamless solution. We recommend your continued 
enthusiasm in the SW, but don't recommend using it in your context based 
on currently available systems. The points you made were valid and we 
are not aware of any system that is currently truly "semantic". Progos, 
as well as many companies and organizations are hard at work in 
realizing such a system, we intend to release a seamless semantic web 
solution later this year.

p.s. for the creation of non-proprietary ontologies we recommend our 
Ontology Generator tool:   http://progos.hu/tools.html

Best wishes,

Les Juhasz

Mansur Darlington wrote:

>First, an apology for cross-posting this.
>This is a plea for help, from some fairly non-techy information users, 
>but we feel it might strike a chord of recognition across interest groups!
>We are trying to explore the practical benefits that developing Semantic 
>Web technologies might have to offer for improving access to information 
>for engineering designers. As part of this effort we wish to demonstrate 
>the advantages of SW technologies over conventional information search 
>and retrieval approaches (assuming there really are any!).
>Using a document test-bed and a couple of ontologies developed weve 
>demonstrated some of the potential benefits that can be achieved (akin 
>to those found in any basic RDF primer or the like). We now wish to 
>provide a more realistic practical demonstration of the benefits (and 
>the associated costs and difficulties associated with the 
>semantification process) using a range of tools that have been 
>developed by the SW community.
>These would include:
>1) Ontology creation and lifecycle management (e.g. Protégé, OilED, 
>OntoEdit, etc.)
>2) An annotator for constructing mark-up documents from the corpus, or 
>marked-up proxy documents (e.g. OntoMat, MnM, etc.).
>3) A means for capturing and representing axioms or rules which 
>formalize useful inferences in the domain (e.g. using the above).
>4) An interface that invites the construction of queries (e.g. plugins 
>for the above).
>5) An accessible query engine which will handle querying and inferencing 
>(using the axioms/rules) and present the result in a useful way.
>We have done our best to identify - from the hundreds of applications 
>available  those which: (i) work reliably (ii) have compatible inputs 
>and outputs (iii) can be *used* and understood by end information 
>users (we are not programmers!).
>Despite our efforts we are having remarkably little success. On the one 
>hand we are overwhelmed by the amount of information that is available 
>on Semantic Web topics, on the other we have found that much of the 
>information is completely inscrutable.
>Fundamentally our questions are: Is it that the tools which we require 
>are simply too immature (or dont yet exist) or that substantially more 
>technical expertise is needed to use what is available than can be 
>reasonably expected from information users?
>Comments or help in answering these questions from the Semantic Web 
>community would be much appreciated.
>Thank you,
>Mansur Darlington and Al Lowe
>Innovative Manufacturing Research Centre
>Department of Mechanical Engineering
>University of Bath
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Les Juhasz 
Received on Thursday, 12 February 2004 11:13:10 UTC

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