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From: Graham Klyne <GK@ninebynine.org>
Date: Thu, 08 May 2003 14:35:52 +0100
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To: RDF interest group <www-rdf-interest@w3.org>

In view of the amount of RDF development taking place in Python and Java, I 
thought this might be of interest to some folks here...


>From: "Kevin Altis" <altis@semi-retired.com>
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>Subject: RE: [Jython-users] Eclipse and Jython/Python
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> > From: Updike, Clark
> >
> > Would you mind updating the jython-user list with a post regarding the
> > status of your efforts to-date to start up a jython plug-in for
> > eclipse with
> > the eclipse folks?  It seems like there is a lot of interest at
> > the moment.
> >
> > TIA,
> > Clark
>Last week quite a few Jython users sent me replies (some privately and some
>to the list) expressing interest in Jython/Python/Eclipse integration.
>[Rather than repeatedly saying Jython/Python below I'll just say Jython, but
>many of the issues are also applicable to C Python.] Those ideas need to be
>discussed on the mailing list and captured on one or more web pages. To
>start the process, I went ahead and created a wiki page on python.org as a
>placeholder. Please add to the page.
>   http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/moinmoin/EclipsePythonIntegration
>I talked to Paul Buck, Director of Eclipse Development at IBM last Friday.
>The call went extremely well. Paul said that he thought full Jython support
>was a good idea, but he could not commit his team or other IBM employees at
>this time to do the work. OTOH, he was willing to create a Jython Eclipse
>sub-project and have his team provide technical support and information to
>whoever heads up the project. The C/C++ Development Tools sub-project might
>be a good example to follow.
>   http://www.eclipse.org/cdt/
>The overall tone of the conversation was one of eagerness to help facilitate
>making it happen, but at this early stage he couldn't commit any of his team
>members to writing code for it. He was also interested in embedding Jython,
>though he was not that familiar with Jython.
>The issue was raised about how much interest there was for this project both
>for Jython users and existing Eclipse users. I said that there was a high
>interest level on the Jython side of the fence but that many Java/Eclipse
>users might not be familiar with Jython or Python or understand the value of
>Jython support in Eclipse, so we probably need to get at least a rough first
>pass done for the benefits to be more obvious. At that time, IBM might want
>to commit some of its own resources to furthering the project.
>Paul asked if I would be interested in taking the technical lead to make it
>happen. I declined because I don't have the right skill set, but I said I
>would try and find one or more people to get the project started. Any
>volunteers? I emailed Paul links for more info on Jython as well as the two
>projects I could find that are relevant. We need to know the current state
>of the two projects below as well as any other Eclipse/Jython projects I
>might have missed.
>PyEclipse is a Python plugin for the Eclipse platform
>   http://sourceforge.net/projects/pyeclipse/
>Python Editor for Eclipse (Pe4elcipse) is an Eclipse platform plugin for
>editing and debugging Python applications.
>   http://sourceforge.net/projects/pe4eclipse
>After my phone call with Paul, I talked to Jim Hugunin at Xerox PARC. Jim
>also said that he thought Jython integration and full Jython support inside
>Eclipse was a great idea, but he stressed the need for a lead developer to
>make it happen and said that due to other research commitments, he was
>unable to participate.
>Samuele Pedroni sent me a detailed list of issues and ideas offlist. I'll
>let him repost those to the list and wiki rather than taking his points out
>of context.
>I don't think I could have hoped for a better first conversation with Paul.
>If we want this to happen, the ball is in our court and one or more
>volunteers can take it to the next level.
> > ref:
> > http://sourceforge.net/mailarchive/forum.php?thread_id=2044937&for
> > um_id=5586
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Kevin Altis [mailto:altis@semi-retired.com]
> > Sent: Sunday, April 27, 2003 3:14 PM
> > To: jython-users@lists.sourceforge.net
> > Subject: [Jython-users] Eclipse and Jython/Python
> >
> >
> > I would like to hear from anyone ASAP that is using Eclipse or
> > would like to
> > use Eclipse with Python/Jython.
> >
> >   http://www.eclipse.org/
> >
> > I think it would be great to get full syntactic support for Jython/Python
> > and have Jython embedded into Eclipse. Since Jim Hugunin is
> > listed as one of
> > the Eclipse sub-project leads I figure at least some people involved with
> > Eclipse might be sympathetic to this idea, but I have not been
> > able to reach
> > Jim yet, so I don't know what he thinks.
> >
> >   http://www.eclipse.org/technology/team-leaders.html
> >
> > I have arranged a brief phone call with Paul Buck, Director of Eclipse
> > Development at IBM on Friday, May 2nd to discuss the idea.
> >
> >   http://conferences.oreillynet.com/cs/os2003/view/e_spkr/1529
> >
> > I would appreciate feedback before Thursday, May 1st if you would like to
> > see this happen. In particular, I need a specific list of benefits to Java
> > and Jython/Python programmers if they had full Jython/Python
> > syntax support
> > and the ability to use Jython from with Eclipse. I have some
> > general benefit
> > points, but I don't program in Java day-to-day so people on this
> > list should
> > be able to give me better specifics.
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > ka
> > ---
> > Kevin Altis
> > altis@semi-retired.com
> > http://altis.pycs.net/
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