- From: Bill de hÓra <dehora@eircom.net>
- Date: Fri, 24 May 2002 08:28:23 +0100
- To: "'Graham Klyne'" <GK@NineByNine.org>
- Cc: <www-rdf-interest@w3.org>
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 > -----Original Message----- > From: Graham Klyne [mailto:GK@NineByNine.org] > > If we want this technology to take off, I don't think that > beating on everyone to "work and think" in RDF is the way. I don't encourage beating on anyone in this regard. A multiparadigm approach is interesting and often necessary. I do believe that it's easier to think about one thing at a time; to that extent, if my language of choice is grounded in RDF, that will simplify development compared to a situation where I have to keep one eye on augmenting the language in an upwardly compatible manner with RDF. Pragmatically, in the trenches that's unlikely to occur and RDF will go by the wayside as surplus to requirements. > When I > suggest to people > who are proposing to use XML for some purpose that they might > use RDF, the > response has been universally negative. I think Sandro captured this reaction very well. A simple XML syntax can help language designers to plausibly consider extending from RDF in much the same way they'll extend XML Schema types. I don't hold out much hope of XML language builders working outwards from either the MT or a non-XML serialization of RDF. > What I'm suggesting is that folks can be persuaded to make some > small changes to their XML, to be compatible with the RDF > serialization syntax. My one success in getting RDF used by > product developers was exactly this. In this way, the > front-loaded costs are > practically zero, > but the information is readily available to pioneering RDF > developments. As more applications come on stream, I would > expect more > developers to realize the benefits and adopt more of the RDF > mindset. It's > a migration stretegy. Without such a strategy, I fear that > the success of > XML which actually work against adoption of RDF. Yes; the software industry is investing heavily in the XML 'paradigm' as we all know. Telling someone, well actually you should be keying off this abstract metadata standard instead of the angle brackets, will meet with hostility and possibly derision; emotionally it's not the right approach. One suggestion then is to let them work directly off an XML serialization and keep the RDF Graph and MT aspects properly abstracted away. For reasons mentioned, this is preferable to tweaking a language into upward compatibility. > Regarding WS, if we focused on promoting the information > model and showing > how their XML could be adapted to accommodate it within the > RDF/XML serialization syntax, I think we'd have a chance to make > more headway there. Complete agreement. > As long as they use URIs for all meaningful > identifiers, I think the rest could be pretty painless. The XMLP wg are taking the RESTful concerns reasonably seriously and is engaging with the TAG in a positive way. I wouldn't hold out for a mind-meld or anything but things seem healthier than before. A URI-centric view will probably come to be an architectural best practice for WS, possibly this will happen by demonstrating a non-URI centric approach as an antipattern, proof by negation if you will. Bill de hÓra -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP 7.0.4 iQA/AwUBPO2FrOaWiFwg2CH4EQLygACg29HC8i98Gq9hvKHUi6Tudu8BhrQAoKHG QsyjSztcYFw6GausFNqu9DCm =rSBn -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
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