- From: Pierre-Antoine CHAMPIN <champin@bat710.univ-lyon1.fr>
- Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2000 11:56:53 +0100
- To: "McBride, Brian" <bwm@hplb.hpl.hp.com>
- CC: www-rdf-interest@w3c.org
"McBride, Brian" wrote:
>
> Pierre-Antoine,
>
> > about 3. I already submitted the idea below on the list,
> > but I will go further : the problem raised by Jonas is not a
> > problem ! If we do consider that the reified statement is
> > really a statement rather than a stating, then the date
> > should not be a property of st1, but rather of st2 and st4 !
> >
> > st1: [Ora, creator, page]
> > st2: [st1, saidBy, Ralph]
> > st3: [st2, at, 01/12/99]
> > st4: [st1, saidBy, Pierre-Antoine]
> > st5: [st4, at, 01/12/00]
> >
> > The statements st2 and st4 are actually statings, not because
> > *every* reified statement be a stating, but because of the
> > particular meaning of their predicate "saidBy".
>
> Interesting approach. I'm uncomfortable with st2 - you say its
> a model of a stating. But its also, by definition a model of a
> statement. I've been thinking that statements and statings are
> disjoint, so how can this be? Are they disjoint? Can the same
> thing model both a statement and a stating?
Sorry, I should have written :
The statements st2 and st4 represent statings, not beacause[...]
^^^^^^^^^
> What's key about the concept of a
> stating? Basically, its a multi-valued relation - e.g.
A stating is formally a pair (statement, context),
meaning that the statement were stated in some given context.
The context may have a number of properties : location, time, stater, etc...
In the example above, I assume that the stater is unambiguously identifying the context.
This is arguable since the same stater may have stated the same statement more than once.
A better representation of a stating would probably be :
(statement, statedIn, URLofRDFdoc)
But that does not really matter; even if I add to the previous example :
st6: [st4, at, 02/12/00]
it is still consistent : st4 can no longer be considered to unambiguously refer to a stating (since 2 dates are affected) but st5 and st6 can...
My point is : we do not need a special representation for statings, there will always be a statement refering to the stating, hence that statement can be used to represent the stating.
Pierre-Antoine
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