- From: Karl Dubost <karl@w3.org>
- Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2003 16:49:07 -0500
- To: www-qa-wg@w3.org
QA Working Group Teleconference Thursday, 18 December 2003 -- Scribe: Karl Attendees: (PC) Patrick Curran (Sun Microsystems) (dd) Dimitris Dimitriadis (Ontologicon) (KD) Karl Dubost (W3C, WG co-chair) (DH) Dominique Hazaël-Massieux (W3C) (LH) Lofton Henderson (CGMO - WG co-chair) (SM) Sandra Martinez (NIST) (LR) Lynne Rosenthal (NIST - IG co-chair) (MS) Mark Skall (NIST) (DM) David Marston Regrets: (MC) Martin Chamberlain (Microsoft) (AT) Andrew Thackrah (Open Group) (VV) Vanitha Venkatraman (Sun Microsystems) Absent: Summary of New Action Items: No new action item Agenda: http://www.w3.org/mid/5.1.0.14.2.20031217094951.02ac0e80@localhost Previous Telcon Minutes: http://www.w3.org/mid/3FD52929.7070804@sun.com Minutes: 2.) Any routine business * WWW 2004 David Marston is giving an update on the WWW2004 conference. * anything about future telecon agendas? Next telconf the 5th of January. * anyone answering Jeremy Caroll? Abstract: Jeremy Carroll send a mail saying that we were planing to have test materials in the charter but he didn't find what he was looking for. He has been decided to show him the Spec Test Assertions that we are reviewing, and to ask him clarification Log: Lofton: Karl, Will you follow-up with this? Mark: what is he asking exactly? Karl: I will ask for clarifications. Mark: Tell him that we have Test assertions. Lofton: We pledged test materials at each major milestones of our documents and we don't have. We will be seen reasonnable if we are producing test materials for the CR. Karl: I agree with Lofton, but we have to find the resources for Test Materials. Patrick: We have to first have test assertions. Mark: We can probably create a crude TS. Lofton: The TS could be a questionnaire and you fill it. Mark: it can be the test assertions with another format and qualifying words. We need more details on the conformance requirements to automatically generate tests. Lofton: We have said in the charter that we will produce the test for each milestones. Karl: Will the people be happy with making each of them Test cases? Mark: Put it away until the end of the call. Lofton: Should we put away that on 26th January Karl: when will we finished Test Assertions? Mark: At the end of this teleconf and/or in the next few days Karl: So I propose that at this end of the telconf we take one test assertion, and try to design a test case for it, and see how it works. Lofton: What do we do for Ops GL? Patrick: Let's do that after the experience of this today exercise. 3.) TA list for SpecGL Abstract: Mark Skall has sent [2] the test assertions for Spec Guidelines. The QA working group has started the review of these Test Assertions to identify ambiguities and concordance with the conformance requirements in the specifications. We haven't finished and will continue on the next call the 22nd of Decembre. Number CP 1.1 Issue: Where does "beginning of the document" refers to. Discussion: be more precise Decision: Replace ConfReq with the TA. Number: CP 1.2 Issue: examples or use cases or a mixture of both? within the spec or a link? Discussion: The intent is that any combination is allowed - we really mean, and/or. "provide" is linked to its definition - allowing for inclusion within the spec or a link from the spec. Decision: Change ConfReq to be "and/or". Nothing needs to be done with respect to "provide". Number: CP 2.2 Issue: Dependance of the execution 2.1 Discussion: separate from 2.1 so that if fail 2.1, can still pass 2.2 Decision: to reword the Conformance Requirements and the test assertions to s/in CP 2.1/in the specification/ Number: CP 2.3: Issue: Missing the second MUST of the conformance req. Decision: Reformulate the test assertion accordingly to the missing MUST Number CP 2.4 and applicable to other CPs Issue: not applicability statement Discussion: can we remove this statement by rewriting the ConfReq, e.g., "If the spec addresses more than 1 COP, then..." Yes, but loses readability and simplicity. Could create a label, (e.g., Exceptions, Normative inclusions/exclusions (UAAG uses), Applicability) which would be included in every CP to handle exceptions - e.g., no exceptions, except if only 1 COP Decision: None yet. Karl: I recommend we start now the work of Test Assertions and Test Materials for the Test GL to avoid what we are doing now, that could have been achieved earlier. 4.) Adjourn Next Telconf: Monday 22th. Only dedicated to this discussion. -- Karl Dubost - http://www.w3.org/People/karl/ W3C Conformance Manager *** Be Strict To Be Cool ***
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