Re: Test Task Force Charter comments

I'm all for changes, but I think the current wording reflects our  
intention to only help and not build (... general usefllness to help  
WGs develop test materials), at least in the bullet if not in the prose  
following it.

But I'm OK with your proposed change.

/Dimitris

On Wednesday, January 22, 2003, at 06:24  PM, Lofton Henderson wrote:

> Might I suggest one additional change (and I can make it and post the  
> result to our Web site, as the current agreed draft, if you like):
>
> Currently under deliverables:
>
>     * Develop tools and tool kits of general usefulness to help WGs  
> develop test materials.
>
> It is desirable that the Test Task Force build tools (test materials),  
> resources allowing.
>
>
> 1.) That last bullet was added after recent discussions;
> 2.) I think that the "test materials" has the potential to confuse --  
> i.e., that we propose to build a WGs test suites, etc.  We do NOT.  We  
> do intend to provide useful toolkits etc, and will build them if  
> necessary, resources permitting.
>
> So I propose the above be changed to:
>
>     * Develop tools and tool kits of general usefulness to help WGs  
> develop test materials, resources allowing.
>
>
> Okay?
>
> -Lofton.
>
>
> At 09:25 PM 1/21/03 +0100, Dimitris Dimitriadis wrote:
>
> All,
>
> Suggested changes incorporated in this version of the draft. Thanks  
> Lynne and Lofton for feedback.
>
> /Dimitris
>
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> On Monday, January 20, 2003, at 04:28  PM, Lynne Rosenthal wrote:
>
> Dimitris
>
> Some suggested changes on the TTF Charter.  
>
> For Mission I suggest the following reword:
> The mission of the QA WG Test Task Force (TTF) is to ensure that  
> guidelines in the QA test guidelines documents are put into practice  
> by W3C Working Groups.
>
> For Scope, I suggest the following reword and additions.
> The TTF scope is to:
> ·       Ensure the use of practices required by the QAWG Guideline  
> documents.
> ·       Provide technical expertise to assist and support W3C Working  
> Groups in providing Test Materials for their specifications.
> ·       Find tools that implement the QAWG Guideline techniques and  
> where there are none, prototype or participate in the development of a  
> tool.
>
> In addition, the TTF produces in association with others or on its  
> own, Test Frameworks to ensure that test materials produced in the W3C  
> Working Groups can be used, where applicable, by others.
>
> -Lynne
>
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> All,
>
> Attached please find the new version of the TTF charter, in time for  
> AC contacts, as requested earlier this week.
>
> All minuted changes from the F2F were incorporated (except for the  
> part on templates of test materials, which I cannot remember having  
> either voted for or abstained from voting on during the F2F according  
> to an earlier email to the list).
>
> For the archives, I again want to stress that I do not agree that we  
> should strive for not enforcing that test techniques as defined and  
> discussed in other QA WG materials be used. Our current wording (on  
> which we reached consensus during the F2F) is "ensure". I cannot, on  
> the one hand, understand what makes "ensure" different from "enforce",  
> except if "ensure" means that we just check for something having been  
> done by someone else (which means that in order to ensure, someone  
> needs to have enforced, except for cases where all gets done  
> voloutarily); on the other I think this is merely words and that it  
> does not really make that big a difference.
>
> Again, I updated the draft as per the minutes, but I want it archived  
> that I do not agree with this weaker wording. Some group needs to  
> enforce that things be done, if not this group then some other.  
> However, as this is my personal view and not that of the QA WG, the  
> TTF charter does not reflect that.
>
> As for AI-20030108-2, assuring uniformity means, as mentioned in the  
> updated draft, that QA WG "approved" test techniques as per our  
> documents are used as much as possible (the set of those tools  
> defining uniform use).
>
> Olivier, please update the action items list accordingly.
>
> /Dimitris
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