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Re: Test Task Force Charter comments

From: Lofton Henderson <lofton@rockynet.com>
Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2003 10:24:22 -0700
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To: Dimitris Dimitriadis <dimitris@ontologicon.com>
Cc: www-qa-wg@w3.org
Might I suggest one additional change (and I can make it and post the 
result to our Web site, as the current agreed draft, if you like):

Currently under deliverables:

>     * Develop tools and tool kits of general usefulness to help WGs 
> develop test materials.
>It is desirable that the Test Task Force build tools (test materials), 
>resources allowing.

1.) That last bullet was added after recent discussions;
2.) I think that the "test materials" has the potential to confuse -- i.e., 
that we propose to build a WGs test suites, etc.  We do NOT.  We do intend 
to provide useful toolkits etc, and will build them if necessary, resources 

So I propose the above be changed to:

>     * Develop tools and tool kits of general usefulness to help WGs 
> develop test materials, resources allowing.



At 09:25 PM 1/21/03 +0100, Dimitris Dimitriadis wrote:
>Suggested changes incorporated in this version of the draft. Thanks Lynne 
>and Lofton for feedback.
>On Monday, January 20, 2003, at 04:28  PM, Lynne Rosenthal wrote:
>>Some suggested changes on the TTF Charter.
>>For Mission I suggest the following reword:
>>The mission of the QA WG Test Task Force (TTF) is to ensure that 
>>guidelines in the QA test guidelines documents are put into practice by 
>>W3C Working Groups.
>>For Scope, I suggest the following reword and additions.
>>The TTF scope is to:
>>       Ensure the use of practices required by the QAWG Guideline 
>>       Provide technical expertise to assist and support W3C Working 
>>Groups in providing Test Materials for their specifications.
>>       Find tools that implement the QAWG Guideline techniques and where 
>>there are none, prototype or participate in the development of a tool.
>>In addition, the TTF produces in association with others or on its own, 
>>Test Frameworks to ensure that test materials produced in the W3C Working 
>>Groups can be used, where applicable, by others.
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>>Date: Fri, 17 Jan 2003 05:46:47 +0100
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>>From: Dimitris Dimitriadis <dimitris@ontologicon.com>
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>>Subject: My action items AI-20030108-2 and AI-20030108-3 (Test Task Force 
>>Charter) completed
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>>Attached please find the new version of the TTF charter, in time for AC 
>>contacts, as requested earlier this week.
>>All minuted changes from the F2F were incorporated (except for the part 
>>on templates of test materials, which I cannot remember having either 
>>voted for or abstained from voting on during the F2F according to an 
>>earlier email to the list).
>>For the archives, I again want to stress that I do not agree that we 
>>should strive for not enforcing that test techniques as defined and 
>>discussed in other QA WG materials be used. Our current wording (on which 
>>we reached consensus during the F2F) is "ensure". I cannot, on the one 
>>hand, understand what makes "ensure" different from "enforce", except if 
>>"ensure" means that we just check for something having been done by 
>>someone else (which means that in order to ensure, someone needs to have 
>>enforced, except for cases where all gets done voloutarily); on the other 
>>I think this is merely words and that it does not really make that big a 
>>Again, I updated the draft as per the minutes, but I want it archived 
>>that I do not agree with this weaker wording. Some group needs to enforce 
>>that things be done, if not this group then some other. However, as this 
>>is my personal view and not that of the QA WG, the TTF charter does not 
>>reflect that.
>>As for AI-20030108-2, assuring uniformity means, as mentioned in the 
>>updated draft, that QA WG "approved" test techniques as per our documents 
>>are used as much as possible (the set of those tools defining uniform use).
>>Olivier, please update the action items list accordingly.
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