- From: Mark Skall <mark.skall@nist.gov>
- Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2002 10:15:46 -0400
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QA Working Group Teleconference Wednesday, 04-September-2002 -- Scribe: Mark Skall Attendees: (KG) Kirill Gavrylyuk (Microsoft) (DH) Dominique Hazael-Massieux (W3C - Webmaster) (LH) Lofton Henderson (CGMO - WG co-chair) (SM) Sandra Martinez (NIST) (JM) Jack Morrison (Sun) (LR) Lynne Rosenthal (NIST - IG co-chair) (MS) Mark Skall (NIST) Regrets: (dd) Dimitris Dimitriadis (Ontologicon) (KD) Karl Dubost (W3C, WG co-chair) (AT) Andrew Thackrah (Open Group) Absent: (PF) Peter Fawcett (RealNetworks) Summary of New Action Items: AI-2002-0904-1 DH will re-draft the two questions to ensure that they’re not redundant and they fit together AI-2002-0904-2 KD and Olivier will refine the day one agenda topics list that includes 4c and 4d (1/2 day Test sub-group, TA markup plus 1/2 day other, miscellaneous) AI-2002-0904-3 If not signed up by Monday, 9/9/02, the Chairs (KD) will make assignments for the techniques assessment for a GL document.. AI-2002-0904-4 Chairs (KD) should propose dates for columns 1 and 2 (QA Ops GL and QA Spec GL) of the Assignment Matrix for the QA Framework Reviews. Half of the dates should be before November and half after. Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-qa-wg/2002Sep/0009.html Previous Telcon Minutes: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-qa-wg/2002Aug/0157.html Minutes: 1. Roll call, membership See above 2. Logistical topics LH Olivier agreed to be Co-Chair of IG and this was approved by W3M. Olivier is working on QA Tools. A new validator will be released soon. Olivier plans to discuss the future of WG and IG at the F2F meeting in Tokyo. Both the WG and the IG expire in Aug, 2003. Both Lofton and Olivier agreed that the “Week in QA” needs more work. LH We will evaluate “Week in QA” in Tokyo. Ask IG for feedback. 3. Questionnaire last details [0] LH - Supposed to be sent to team and Chairs list on Monday. We may be making a mistake with the intro. The intro contains a lot of technical detail that is not helpful in answering questions. Putting this much detail into the intro might distract people from answering the questionnaire. Alternative intro swept technical detail under rug. LH thinks intro should be as brief as possible. Should we cut out hyperlink references? MS Leave hyperlinks in. DH Put hyperlinks in after questionnaire LH Agreed. LH We will change the questionnaire reply to just Dimitris and Dom. It will not go into any public archives. LH Question 2 redundant with 1. JM Can leave separate. MS Question 2 asks if group considered it. can add that to Question 1. DH will re-draft the two questions to ensure that they’re not redundant and they fit together. LH will send to Chairs list today and DH will send to Team list. 4. Frm schedules, editor changes Most of this will be discussed during lead editors meeting ½ hour later. SpecGL team changes - LR and DH will become lead editor for Spec Guidelines. They will be responsible for driving issues, resolutions and meeting guidelines. Circulate proposed publication schedule after editor’s meeting today. TestGL WG-only The plan is to have a draft by next Tuesday. 5. Tokyo agenda (details at [1]) A role call was taken to see who will be at Tokyo. LH Yes MS Yes DH Yes. Olivier Yes KG Yes. LR Yes. JM No AT ? dd ? KD Yes SM No PF ? Agenda rough outline 4a. 1-1/2 days SpecGL & Extech 4b. 1/2 day TestGL 4c. 1/2 day Test sub-group, TA markup 4d. 1/2 day other, miscellaneous The above is LH’s rough outline of the division of time in Tokyo. The plan is for the publication of all parts in October. The first pub of Ex tech and the 3rd pub of Spec GL thus will need 1-1/2 days to discuss. dd and LH will present and demo the DOM and SVG test suites respectively. Everyone is encouraged to present other test suites. The purpose of the presentations is to relate the issues we’re discussing to concrete examples. Olivier We need one full day for non-framework agenda items. Demos of tools, the discussion that give birth to work in QA, and coordination with other groups are examples of non-framework agenda items. The order for the Tokyo agenda will be 4c, 4d, 4a, 4b. Thus: Day 1 1/2 day Test sub-group, TA markup 1/2 day other, miscellaneous Days 2 and 3 1-1/2 days SpecGL & Extech 1/2 day TestGL Olivier This is good because we won’t run out of time at end for non-framework items. KD and Olivier will refine the day one agenda topics list that includes 4c and 4d. LH asked for volunteers to organize the collection of demos of test suites. No volunteers. LH will send e-mail to WG soliciting volunteers to show test suite demos on day 1 agenda. Olivier We will have wireless only connection in Tokyo. 6. Reviews matrix [2] LH WE have 5 volunteers for the techniques assessment for a GL document. The NIST team has volunteered for Spec GL. KD will be added to that team. The Chairs will assign remaining people. If not signed up by Monday, the Chairs (Karl) will make assignments. LH We need dates for assignments and we need to coordinate with our publication schedule. We want ½ reviews before next publication and ½ after. LR We don’t want to do the techniques assessment until documents are relatively stable LH They should be done post-Tokyo. KG What is the process for techniques documents assessment? LH One person should serve as the editor. The team should then decide how to work together. For each checkpoint, come up with list of techniques to be in ex and tech document. MS Do we need more than one example? LH For certain checkpoints MS Examples are sufficient but not necessary. There may always be other ways to meet the checkpoint. Are examples and techniques normative? I don’t think so. LH Action items in 4th column in the assignment matrix (techniques assessment) need to be done in the 2-week window after Tokyo to be useful for the publication cycle. For Action Items in the first 2 columns ½ need to be done before Nov. 1, ½ after. Chairs should propose dates for columns 1 and 2 (half before Nov and ½ after). Also, fill in rest of column 4. 7.) AI list, status review [3] The list of current Action Items was reviewed in order to determine which action items were completed. The following details the status of certain action items: Mark 07-03-3 Done 06-27-2 Done 05-30-4 Done Lofton 08-21-2 Pending 07-31-3 Redundant, should be eliminated Dom 08-21-3 Pending Karl 07-31-2 Redundant with Dom’s 08-07-4 Done 03-01-9 Need to do work on this and make progress and have a draft html document to look at by Tokyo. Kirill 04-04-5 Done 03-08-3 Done 02-14-6 Done 06-20-1 Done Rest of Kirill’s not done. 8. Issues List Processing Not done. Not enough time 9. Adjourn The telcon was adjourned at 1140. **************************************************************** Mark Skall Chief, Software Diagnostics and Conformance Testing Division Information Technology Laboratory National Institute of Standards and Technology (NIST) 100 Bureau Drive, Stop 8970 Gaithersburg, MD 20899-8970 Voice: 301-975-3262 Fax: 301-590-9174 Email: skall@nist.gov ****************************************************************
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