- From: Rigo Wenning <rigo@w3.org>
- Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2005 18:08:23 +0200
- To: www-p3p-policy@w3.org
- Cc: juppeterson@gmail.com, mossberg@wsj.com
- Message-Id: <200508191808.34971.rigo@w3.org>
Dear all, starting with a Wall Street Journal Article[1] from Walter Mossberg there were recent remarkable Blog-Entries. Mossberg started off complaining about tracking cookies. He said, those cookies would fit his spyware definition and wanted a real prompt for tracking-cookies (going straight). Implementing P3P on the Server means exactly that: going straight. Note that a lot of sites today have P3P Policies. Eric Peterson blogged[2] in a response that prompting the user for cookies would generate a very painful browsing experience. I think he is right. As a professional paranoid, I have instructed my browser to prompt on cookies. Some sites propose you the same cookie every time you get to the next page. This means an average of 2-6 clicks per page. Now, being fatalistic does not seem to be a solution. The critic from Peterson was taken up by Joe Wilcox in the Microsoft Monitor Weblog [3]. He describes the P3P capabilities of Internet Explorer and has some trouble explaining P3P. I think, P3P is not " P3P support means when that prompt comes, say for microsoft.com, the user has the option of accepting or rejecting the cookie and applying the response to all future cookie requests." The trouble with cookies is that "22993519736004617" has no meaning for the user. This is opaque and generates fears, often far beyond the real danger of a given cookie. P3P[4] tries to tackle that by adding metadata to the cookie explaining what it collects and does and how this personal information is retained/distributed etc. P3P means that metadata about the cookie has been exchanged, so the user and his agent (browser) knows what this cookie is about. So the "Spy" part is already cleared. P3P in fact helps to distinguish between good and bad cookies and increases user trust by telling them what the cookie is supposed to do. In a nice implementation, the browser would then offer the possibility to block/erase/fake acceptance for that future cookies based on a user reaction, a kind of constant learning. With P3P, such a tool could even ask if the user wants to block cookies of that _category_. IE had a good first start with the cookie-blocker based on the P3P compact format. But IE remains at 15% of P3P's capabilities. Privacy Bird[4] shows some of the notification wisdom achievable. But the software vendors still owe us a tool that takes full advantage of P3P to take away the necessity of Articles like the one from Walter Mossberg. So an interesting question to Microsoft and Firefox would be, how much of P3P they intend to implement. Going straight here means implementing an existing Standard ;) 1.http://online.wsj.com/article_email/0,,SB112129842537185221-IBjfINilaV4opynaICHa6mFm4,00.html 2.http://weblogs.jupiterresearch.com/analysts/peterson/archives/009281.html 3.http://www.microsoftmonitor.com/archives/009285.html 4.http://www.w3.org/TR/P3P/ http://www.w3.org/P3P/ Best, -- Rigo Wenning W3C/ERCIM Staff Counsel Privacy Activity Lead mail:rigo@w3.org 2004, Routes des Lucioles http://www.w3.org/ F-06902 Sophia Antipolis
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