Re: arXiv updates and MathML Intent

I'm pretty sure what we have said (but I need to double check) is that
MathML should be given priority over alt text. That implicitly means
intents take priority also.

    Neil


On Thu, Sep 18, 2025 at 4:01 AM Deyan Ginev <deyan.ginev@gmail.com> wrote:

> Seeing the screenshot, have we actually resolved what to do when "alttext"
> and "intent" are both set on a MathML element?
>
> We may want to say "intent" takes precedence if we haven't done so already.
>
> Deyan
>
> On Thu, Sep 18, 2025 at 2:55 AM Schubotz, Moritz <
> Moritz.Schubotz@fiz-karlsruhe.de> wrote:
>
>> Let’s celebrate this historic moment with a screenshot.
>>
>>
>>
>> *From: *Deyan Ginev <deyan.ginev@gmail.com>
>> *Date: *Wednesday, 17. September 2025 at 23:40
>> *To: *"www-math@w3.org" <www-math@w3.org>
>> *Subject: *arXiv updates and MathML Intent
>>
>>
>>
>> Hi everyone,
>>
>>
>>
>> As of this morning, arXiv's experimental HTML pages are now using an
>> intent attribute for the first  time. Namely, each math element is
>> annotated with the ":literal" property.
>>
>>
>>
>> ":literal" values are the only reliable starting point for graduate level
>> texts in STEM, where simple heuristics fail as often as they succeed (if
>> that). They fit Louis' pragmatic stance of "just show me what the author
>> has written", while also allowing more informed intent attributes to be
>> deposited on the subtrees, when known.
>>
>>
>>
>> Additional intent upgrades are interesting future work for arXiv - and
>> LaTeXML. We would like to gradually enrich subtrees, whenever we have
>> sufficient confidence we can infer the mathematical concepts.
>>
>>
>>
>> These new attributes for arXiv are only starting to trickle in with the
>> article batches announced daily. It will take a full regeneration of the
>> collection to have them everywhere. That could happen near the end of 2025,
>> maybe just in time for the MathML 4 CR phase. We'll see.
>>
>>
>>
>> Here is one random recently announced article, to illustrate today's
>> changes:
>>
>> https://arxiv.org/html/2509.12354v1
>>
>>
>>
>> P.S. My regrets for tomorrow's WG meeting, I will be traveling.
>>
>>
>>
>> Greetings,
>>
>> Deyan
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