- From: Neil Soiffer <soiffer@alum.mit.edu>
- Date: Thu, 27 Nov 2025 13:03:05 -0800
- To: Gabriella Böhm <bohm@ems.press>
- Cc: Stephen Watt <smwatt@gmail.com>, "www-math W3C (www-math@w3.org)" <www-math@w3.org>
- Message-ID: <CAESRWkBJedeTmmcVdLTt8TYqzZPjciW6T+x5izzHCO_GTxmFgg@mail.gmail.com>
Bearing in mind that the concept lists are aimed at speech, and hence the
names for the concepts should be chosen to be good for speech and still
unique from the other names, could one or both of you respond to the issue
<https://github.com/w3c/mathml-docs/issues/90>that I created for this.
Deyan and Moritz have started work on making adding concepts easier, but it
is not ready yet, so this is the best way to add something at the moment.
Thanks,
Neil
On Thu, Nov 27, 2025 at 12:07 AM Gabriella Böhm <bohm@ems.press> wrote:
> Very good point, and it seems to depend on the author's background. The
> physicists' (and Dirac's original) convention is that bra is anti-linear –
> ket is linear, and I think this is more often used. But you are perfectly
> right that in functional analysis the opposite convention is used :-).
> GB
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> On 27. Nov 2025, at 08:40, Stephen Watt <smwatt@gmail.com> wrote:
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> One thing to watch out for is that the linearity convention for which side
> gets complex conjugation is different, I believe.
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> That is
> < alpha u| v > = < u | conj(alpha) v> = alpha <u | v>
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> (alpha u, v) = (u, conj(alpha) v) = conj(alpha) (u, v)
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> On Thu, Nov 27, 2025, 08:07 Gabriella Böhm <bohm@ems.press> wrote:
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>> Wow… the whole concept seems to be missing, indeed. I guess
>> | y > should be listed as “vector”,
>> < x | as “co-vector" or “functional",
>> < x | y > could be listed under the existing title "inner-product” (or
>> under a synonymous new one “scalar-product”),
>> | y >< x | stands for “dyad” or “dyadic-product"
>> all in linear (or vector) algebra (and physics, where this Dirac notation
>> comes from).
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>> On 26. Nov 2025, at 22:40, Neil Soiffer <soiffer@alum.mit.edu> wrote:
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>> I am working on a MathCAT issue about bra-ket notation. Much to my
>> surprise, I didn't find it listed in either the core
>> <https://w3c.github.io/mathml-docs/intent-core-concepts/>or open
>> <https://w3c.github.io/mathml-docs/intent-open-concepts/>concept lists.
>> Does it have some other name, or was it overlooked?
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>> Neil
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Received on Thursday, 27 November 2025 21:03:24 UTC