Minutes: MathML Full meeting, 21 April, 2022

 Attendees:

   - David Carlisle
   - Sam Dooley
   - Deyan Ginev
   - Bruce Miller
   - Murray Sargent
   - Neil Soiffer
   - Bert Bos
   - Paul Libbrecht
   - Steve Noble
   - Cary Supalo
   - Louis Maher
   - Stephen Watt

<https://sandbox.cryptpad.info/code/inner.html?ver=4.14.1-00#cp-md-0-regrets->
Regrets:
<https://sandbox.cryptpad.info/code/inner.html?ver=4.14.1-00#cp-md-0-1-announcements-updates>1.
Announcements/Updates

NS: Did my action items:

   - ARIA issue about interaction with MathML
   <https://github.com/w3c/aria/issues/1723>
   - APA issue about how to mention A11Y
   <https://github.com/w3c/apa/issues/309>

NS: would like to have a cheat sheet for github commands.

DC: may make this cheat sheet.

NS: may be put the cheat sheet in front of the spec.

DG: Helpful git habits when pushing a new branch. On initial setup you
would need the upstream remote declared:

git remote add upstream https://github.com/w3c/mathml

Before any branch push, resync with the remote:

git checkout my-changes
git fetch upstream --all
git rebase upstream/gh-pages
# You may need to resolve conflicts during the rebase, if so
# do so in your text editor, then, "git add" the files
# and
# git rebase --continue

git push origin my-changes

DG: Try to avoid git merge unless absolutely necessary.

*ACTION:* DC: link the community group page to our stuff.

NS: ARIA is meeting today (as the same time as our meeting) and the issue I
wrote up asking for their guidance on how MathML should interact with ARIA
is on the agenda.
<https://sandbox.cryptpad.info/code/inner.html?ver=4.14.1-00#cp-md-0-2-go-over-progress-on-a-href-https-github-com-w3c-mathml-issues-mathml-issues-a->2.
Go over progress on MathML issues <https://github.com/w3c/mathml/issues>
<https://sandbox.cryptpad.info/code/inner.html?ver=4.14.1-00#cp-md-0-a-progress-on-various-chapters-appendices>a)
progress on various chapters/appendices

NS: I pulled some more stuff out of chapter 3 and did some rearangement
(making a mess of the commit by not rebasing first)
<https://sandbox.cryptpad.info/code/inner.html?ver=4.14.1-00#cp-md-0-b-more-discussion-on-tables-organization-of-content-mathml>b)
more discussion on tables/organization of content MathML

SD: will do more work on the tables if we can reach a consensus on what we
want.

David's fork https://davidcarlisle.github.io/mathml/#contm2

Sam's fork https://samdooley.github.io/mathml/

SD: what should be in the appendix and what should be in chapter 4. We are
not in agreement on this.

SD: We have many empty elements, and we should be able to summarize this
more efficiently then by displaying all the empty elements.

DC Section 4.3 has grown, and section 4.4 has disappeared.

SD: How do we want to organize the list of elements known as pragmatic
MathML?

SD: We are sorting on operator classes.

DC: Our differences with the original documents are large. We may lose
things when we merge.

DC: We should check in things in smaller chunks before we start deleting
things.

DC and SD shared screens and showed their different organizations of
chapter 4.

SD: Moved sections from chapter 4 to appendix f.

sd: Would like to put all the open math symbols into one table.

SD and DC discussed their evolving common strategy.

*ACTION:** DC: will merge sd's appendix f into DC's branch.

SD offered to help with this.

NS: asked if everyone else agreed with SD and DC's direction.

SD: We cannot change content MathML, but we can change how we explain
content MathML.

PL: asked people to review his changes. He has checked in his changes.

SN: is working on accessibility documentation. He is working on documents
outside of the MathML specification.