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Re: mtable borders etc

From: Peter Krautzberger <peter.krautzberger@mathjax.org>
Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2014 10:03:32 +0100
Message-ID: <CABqxo81G22+VUqQ6Pz17Ny-93=DZj_VKJS9qTYpmueeoaR2WzQ@mail.gmail.com>
To: Daniel Marques <dani@wiris.com>
Cc: Neil Soiffer <NeilS@dessci.com>, "www-math@w3.org" <www-math@w3.org>
Thanks for the comments.

David Carlisle wrote:
> If we were to extend this in an html+mathml context probably we should
> be looking to see some way of specifying how css table cell border
> properties are supposed to work here. CSS styling does basically work
already in firefox as far as I can see, If I take this MDN example
> and adapt it to include mtable

That seems natural to me, too. If tables provided everything mtables need,
things would be much easier. Any chance to start a conversation with other
WGs on that?

Peter.

On Tue, Nov 11, 2014 at 9:36 AM, Daniel Marques <dani@wiris.com> wrote:

> Let me explain what we, as a company, were requested regarding mtable
> frame and borders (rowlines and columnlines).
>
>
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> frame: be able to set top, left, bottom and right borders independently.
> This does not seem difficult to add to the specification. I would recommend
> it because you currently can specify the inner borders independently via
> rowlines and columnlines.
>
>
>
> borders: requested a “dotted” style. I personally think that this is not
> so important.
>
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>
> Dani, from WIRIS
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> *From:* neil.soiffer@gmail.com [mailto:neil.soiffer@gmail.com] *On Behalf
> Of *Neil Soiffer
> *Sent:* martes, 11 de noviembre de 2014 1:56
> *To:* Peter Krautzberger
> *Cc:* www-math@w3.org
> *Subject:* Re: mtable borders etc
>
>
>
> Did you have a proposal? One easy thing to do in the next version of
> MathML (who knows when that would be) would be to extend the legal values
> to 'doubleline" or "solidsolid" or some such.
>
> In general, this is a losing game because someone may next want dashed
> double lines or dashed lines with arrows on each dash or...  Without the
> programability of TeX, a finite list of the higher use cases is all that
> can be done for MathML (and HTML-based languages in general).
>
> My bigger concern is that adding features raises the bar for implementers
> that are already having trouble implementing features. Having characters
> that stretch for spanning rows/cols in an mtable seems much more important
> and that is unfortunately not widely implemented.
>
>     Neil
>
>
>
> On Mon, Nov 10, 2014 at 2:42 PM, Peter Krautzberger <
> peter.krautzberger@mathjax.org> wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
>
>
> The mtable element is limited in terms of columnlines, rowlines, and
> frame. In particular, this has come up on the MathJax user group
> <https://groups.google.com/forum/#!searchin/mathjax-users/I$20guess$20it$27s$20mostly$20a$20matter$20of$20convenience$2C$20as$20maths$20folks$20are$20usually$20quite$20familiar$20with$20TeX$20but$20not$20so$20with$20HTML.$20%7Csort:relevance/mathjax-users/6vMvWrSCSzA/BH-dfMd5tK4J> a
> few years ago and has resurfaced in a bug report for MediaWiki/Wikipedia
> <https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=73169> a few days ago.
>
>
>
> Perhaps there's something constructive to be done about it?
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> Best wishes,
>
> Peter.
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>
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