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Re: support of MathML in Safari?

From: Paul Libbrecht <paul@dfki.de>
Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2004 10:59:37 +0200
Message-Id: <B4405AEE-90BF-11D8-93B6-000A95C50B1C@dfki.de>
To: www-math@w3.org

I know that Safari rendering engine is entirely based on WebCore, 
itself an open-source extension, rewrapping, and port of KDE's 
These two are open-source so I would presume it should be relatively 
doable to get into the code and arrange for a linking between 
MathPlayer and WebCore.
And if all goes well, there would even be the chance to actually port 
MathPlayer to Linux and other KDE ports.



PS: Netscape has been trying to establish a comittee to revise the 
notion of plugins after the M$IE behaviours came out... did no-one had 
an echo of the development of such a comittee ?

On 12-Apr-04, at 19:10 Uhr, Paul Topping wrote:
> My thoughts would be to establish a plug-in interface that was general
> enough to handle XML-based extensions, such as MathML and SVG. It 
> would have
> similar functionality to the ones that MathPlayer uses in Internet 
> Explorer
> (but better, of course):
> - A mechanism (possibly user controllable) would allow the association 
> of
> plugin software with a particular namespace URI (eg, MathML or SVG). A
> MathPlayer installer would make this association for MathML.
> - Based on the above mechanism, Safari would invoke the plugin on each
> instance of <math>, passing it a DOM interface starting at that node.
> - During layout, Safari would call the plugin with ambient properties, 
> such
> as font, point size, text color, etc. The plugin would lay out the 
> equation
> and return the dimensions of the equation, as well as baseline and
> side-bearings.
> - During display (and print), Safari would call the plugin with some 
> kind of
> display (print) context, and the plugin would perform graphics 
> operations to
> draw the equation.
> Hopefully, there would also be other interfaces to support such things 
> as
> interaction (mouse clicks, menus) and accessibility. It would possibly 
> make
> sense to make this kind of plugin into some kind of standard, although 
> it
> might not be within the W3C's scope.
> Although MathPlayer obviously has Windows and IE-dependent code, it is
> largely platform-independent code that uses library for which me have 
> a Mac
> implementation. So, with any luck, it should be too much work.
> Paul
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Daniel Jamous [mailto:jamous@MIT.EDU]
>> Sent: Monday, April 12, 2004 6:11 AM
>> To: Paul Topping
>> Cc: 'www-math@w3.org'
>> Subject: RE: support of MathML in Safari?
>> Dear Paul,
>> Thank you very much for your response.
>> I will try to see if there's anything we can do in this regard.
>> Just a follow-up question: from a technical point of view,
>> what would be the requirements for Safari to be able to
>> support MathPlayer?
>> Thanks,
>> Daniel
>> At 02:27 PM 4/8/2004 -0700, Paul Topping wrote:
>>> Daniel,
>>> We at Design Science would like to help in this effort. We
>> would like
>>> to be able to create a version of MathPlayer that works
>> inside Safari
>>> and offer it for free just as we do for Internet Explorer.
>> We have been
>>> in contact with someone at Apple that has promised to put us
>> in contact
>>> with the Safari team but that has not happened yet. Last
>> time I looked,
>>> Safari had not committed to supporting XML or to a plug-in interface
>>> rich enough to make MathPlayer possible. But these things
>> should not be
>>> insurmountable barriers and the sooner we start addressing
>> them the better.
>>> The best thing that you and others on the www-math list can do is to
>>> tell the Safari people how important MathML support in Safari is. I
>>> suspect that MathML support is somewhere on a long wish list
>> of Safari enhancements.
>>> Input from parties other than those who stand to profit from the
>>> success of MathML can help move it higher on that list.
>>> Paul
>>> ----------------------------------------------------------------
>>> Paul Topping                     email: pault@dessci.com
>>> President                        phone: 562-433-0685
>>>                                  http://www.dessci.com
>> Design Science,
>>> Inc.
>>> "How Science Communicates"
>>> MathType, WebEQ, MathPlayer, Equation Editor, TeXaide
>>> ----------------------------------------------------------------
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Daniel Jamous [mailto:jamous@MIT.EDU]
>>>> Sent: Thursday, April 08, 2004 1:29 PM
>>>> To: www-math@w3.org
>>>> Subject: support of MathML in Safari?
>>>> Hello,
>>>> I'm just wondering if anyone knows whether there are plans to
>>>> support MathML in future versions of Apple's browser Safari.
>>>> Thanks for any info you can share.
>>>> Daniel Jamous
>>>> Academic Computing -- MIT
Received on Sunday, 18 April 2004 18:24:58 UTC

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