[minutes] Internationalization telecon 2020-09-24

https://www.w3.org/2020/09/24-i18n-minutes.html




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            Internationalization Working Group Teleconference

24 Sep 2020

    [2]Agenda

       [2] https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-i18n-core/2020Sep/0012.html

Attendees

    Present
           addison, Richard, Fuqiao, David, JcK

    Regrets

    Chair
           Addison Phillips

    Scribe
           addison

Contents

      * [3]Topics
          1. [4]Agenda and Minutes
          2. [5]Action Items
          3. [6]Info Share
          4. [7]RADAR Review
          5. [8]Ready-made Counter Styles update
          6. [9]LTLI changes: ready for TR and wide review?
      * [10]Summary of Action Items
      * [11]Summary of Resolutions
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    trackbot, prepare teleconference

    <agendabot> clear agenda

    <scribe> scribenick: addison

Agenda and Minutes

Action Items

    [12]https://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/open

      [12] https://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/open

    action-945?

    <trackbot> action-945 -- Richard Ishida to Review
    predefined-counter-styles for changes and send info to group so
    we can take a publication decision -- due 2020-08-20 -- OPEN

    <trackbot>
    [13]https://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/945

      [13] https://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/945

    action-955?

    <trackbot> action-955 -- Addison Phillips to Update pr of
    charmod-norm, merge, and send text to richard for posting as a
    wide review -- due 2020-09-24 -- OPEN

    <trackbot>
    [14]https://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/955

      [14] https://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/955

    close action-955

    <trackbot> Closed action-955.

    <scribe> ACTION: richard: check with webmaster on how to
    publish charmod-norm for wide review

    <trackbot> Created ACTION-956 - Check with webmaster on how to
    publish charmod-norm for wide review [on Richard Ishida - due
    2020-10-01].

Info Share

    <r12a>
    [15]https://w3c.github.io/i18n-tests/results/css-logical.html

      [15] https://w3c.github.io/i18n-tests/results/css-logical.html

    richard: mentioned that I was working on css logical tests
    ... now published the results for major browsers
    ... see link above
    ... very interesting. works on all browsers. alternative to
    width and height
    ... margin works on all
    ... except that only the atomic properties that work
    ... the shortcuts (2 or 4 values) then only works in gecko some
    of the time and none of the others
    ... padding same
    ... border width ok, (etc.)

    <xfq> related css issue on shorthands:
    [16]https://github.com/w3c/csswg-drafts/issues/1282

      [16] https://github.com/w3c/csswg-drafts/issues/1282

    richard: some gaps but more success that expected

    addison: follow up?

    richard: worth it on shortcuts, useful to have working

    <xfq> some current browser bugs:
    [17]https://github.com/w3c/afrlreq/issues/8#issuecomment-689454
    642

      [17] https://github.com/w3c/afrlreq/issues/8#issuecomment-689454642

    fuqiao: put link on shorthand issue in css

    richard: quite a long time since

    <scribe> ACTION: richard: ping fantasai and respond on issues
    related to css shorthand logical

    <trackbot> Created ACTION-957 - Ping fantasai and respond on
    issues related to css shorthand logical [on Richard Ishida -
    due 2020-10-01].

    richard: fuqiao you posted another gap analysis issue, will
    respond with links, etc

    addison: i18n considerations sections?

    [18]https://github.com/w3c/IntersectionObserver/issues/415

      [18] https://github.com/w3c/IntersectionObserver/issues/415

    <xfq> Example Internationalization sections:

    <xfq> [19]https://w3c.github.io/manifest/#internationalization

      [19] https://w3c.github.io/manifest/#internationalization

    <xfq> [20]https://www.w3.org/TR/json-ld11/#internationalization

      [20] https://www.w3.org/TR/json-ld11/#internationalization

    <xfq> WebApps WG's meta issue:
    [21]https://github.com/w3c/webappswg/issues/25

      [21] https://github.com/w3c/webappswg/issues/25

    <scribe> ACTION: addison: write short summary about "i18n
    considerations" sections for considering by wg

    <trackbot> Created ACTION-958 - Write short summary about "i18n
    considerations" sections for considering by wg [on Addison
    Phillips - due 2020-10-01].

RADAR Review

    [22]https://github.com/w3c/i18n-request/issues

      [22] https://github.com/w3c/i18n-request/issues

    [23]https://github.com/w3c/i18n-request/projects/1

      [23] https://github.com/w3c/i18n-request/projects/1

Ready-made Counter Styles update

    <r12a> [24]https://w3c.github.io/predefined-counter-styles/

      [24] https://w3c.github.io/predefined-counter-styles/

    richard: see revision log
    ... some things floating about
    ... some korean and arabic issues
    ... more things under discussion
    ... I think we could publish as is
    ... also some things about greek
    ... lower-greek is supported by browsers but not used in greek
    ... actually used by mathematics folks
    ... made a note there

    addison: please vote on publishing predefined-counter-styles as
    updated note

    +1

    <r12a> +1

    <xfq> +1

    <David> +

    <David> +1

    <JcK> +1

    <David> -

    RESOLUTION: publish updated predefined-counter-styles

LTLI changes: ready for TR and wide review?

    [25]https://w3c.github.io/ltli/

      [25] https://w3c.github.io/ltli/

    richard: a bunch of editorial stuff
    ... a few things I'd like to chew over
    ... still not sure that definition of locale is correct

    [26]https://w3c.github.io/ltli/#locale

      [26] https://w3c.github.io/ltli/#locale

    <r12a> [27]https://w3c.github.io/ltli/#locale

      [27] https://w3c.github.io/ltli/#locale

    <r12a> Locale. An identifier or shorthand token, such as a
    language tag, that indicates a set of [international
    preferences]. The identifier is generally related to a language
    and/or geographic region, and is passed in APIs or set in the
    operating environment to obtain culturally-affected behavior
    within a system or process.

    like this

    jck: more consistent with POSIX

    fuqiao: can be a set of tokens

    <xfq> like LC_NUMERIC, LC_TIME etc.

    related to the language or geographic region of the user

    and/or

    addison: will change

    [28]https://w3c.github.io/ltli/#ltli-format-like-doc-language

      [28] https://w3c.github.io/ltli/#ltli-format-like-doc-language

    will propose more edits on 'data values' / 'data types'

Summary of Action Items

    [NEW] ACTION: addison: write short summary about "i18n
    considerations" sections for considering by wg
    [NEW] ACTION: richard: check with webmaster on how to publish
    charmod-norm for wide review
    [NEW] ACTION: richard: ping fantasai and respond on issues
    related to css shorthand logical

Summary of Resolutions

     1. [29]publish updated predefined-counter-styles

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