- From: r12a <ishida@w3.org>
- Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2018 14:44:33 +0000
- To: www International <www-international@w3.org>
https://www.w3.org/2018/02/08-i18n-minutes.html
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Internationalization Working Group Teleconference
08 Feb 2018
[2]Agenda
[2]
https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-i18n-core/2018Feb/0007.html
Attendees
Present
JcK, Richard, Addison, fantasai
Regrets
Peter, Katy
Chair
Addison Phillips
Scribe
addison
Contents
* [3]Topics
1. [4]How to start this meeting without r12a
2. [5]CSS Text Decoration Level 3
* [6]Summary of Action Items
* [7]Summary of Resolutions
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How to start this meeting without r12a
<r12a> [8]https://www.w3.org/2017/09/i18n-meeting-info.html
[8] https://www.w3.org/2017/09/i18n-meeting-info.html
CSS Text Decoration Level 3
<fantasai> Announcement:
[9]https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/w3c-ac-members/2018JanM
ar/0033.html
[9]
https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/w3c-ac-members/2018JanMar/0033.html
[10]https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-i18n-core/2018F
eb/0005.html
[10]
https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-i18n-core/2018Feb/0005.html
[11]https://drafts.csswg.org/css-text-decor-3/issues-cr-2013
[11] https://drafts.csswg.org/css-text-decor-3/issues-cr-2013
<scribe> scribenick: addison
<fantasai>
[12]https://drafts.csswg.org/css-text-decor-3/issues-cr-2013
[12] https://drafts.csswg.org/css-text-decor-3/issues-cr-2013
fantasai: disposition of comments waiting on i18n
... some closed, handful open
... only ones left
<fantasai>
[13]https://drafts.csswg.org/css-text-decor-3/issues-cr-2013#is
sue-16
[13] https://drafts.csswg.org/css-text-decor-3/issues-cr-2013#issue-16
<r12a> [14]http://w3c.github.io/i18n-activity/reviews/
[14] http://w3c.github.io/i18n-activity/reviews/
<fantasai> [15]https://github.com/w3c/csswg-drafts/issues/839
[15] https://github.com/w3c/csswg-drafts/issues/839
fantasai: sometimes author wants emphasis dots on punctuation
... but then have to have a way to exclude
... in L4 add property to control what to skip
... right now only skips spaces
... reconsider?
<r12a>
[16]https://w3c.github.io/jlreq/gap-analysis/index.html#emphasi
s
[16] https://w3c.github.io/jlreq/gap-analysis/index.html#emphasis
<r12a>
[17]https://w3c.github.io/jlreq/#composition_of_emphasis_dots
[17] https://w3c.github.io/jlreq/#composition_of_emphasis_dots
<fantasai> addison: Try to do what authors want, and special
cases are handled as special cases
<fantasai> JcK: mis-use of these marks is another issue
<r12a> "In practice, emphasis dots are not used for commas
(cl-07), full stops (cl-06), opening brackets (cl-01) or
closing brackets (cl-02)."
<fantasai> JcK: CSS use of emphasis marks could be spoofing
<fantasai> r12a: Back to the topic
<fantasai> r12a: Question is what should the default be?
<fantasai> r12a: Should be what you expect to happen, and JLREQ
says skip punctuation
<JcK> @fantasai: It would be closer to my comment to say that
CSS can be used in a variety of ways for spoofing (and other
ways to cause user confusion). Emphasis marks are just one more
case (as you pointed out)
<fantasai> r12a: I can't see any reason why you'd want to
emphasize punctuation
<fantasai> addison: issue is if L4 doesn't happen soon, then no
way to emphasize punctuation. Don't know why you'd want to do
that, but can't do it
<fantasai> addison: making default skip means everyone gets
best practice
<r12a>
[18]https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-i18n-cjk/2011Ap
rJun/0051.html
[18]
https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-i18n-cjk/2011AprJun/0051.html
addison to update issue 839
<fantasai>
[19]https://drafts.csswg.org/css-text-decor-3/issues-cr-2013#is
sue-17
[19] https://drafts.csswg.org/css-text-decor-3/issues-cr-2013#issue-17
<fantasai>
[20]https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-style/2016Dec/0118
.html
[20] https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-style/2016Dec/0118.html
<fantasai> r12a: Korean and Japanese use the right side by
default. Chinese uses the left side.
<fantasai> [21]https://www.w3.org/TR/clreq/
[21] https://www.w3.org/TR/clreq/
<fantasai> search for "emphasis"
<fantasai> “whereas in vertical writing mode, they are usually
placed to the right side of the characters”
<fantasai>
[22]https://drafts.csswg.org/css-text-decor-3/issues-cr-2013#is
sue-18
[22] https://drafts.csswg.org/css-text-decor-3/issues-cr-2013#issue-18
<r12a> clreq says: "Emphasis dots are symbols placed above or
beneath characters to emphasize the text, strengthen the tone,
or avoid ambiguity. For horizontal writing mode, the emphasis
dots are placed under the characters, whereas in vertical
writing mode, they are usually placed to the right side of the
characters"
<fantasai>
[23]https://drafts.csswg.org/css-text-decor-3/#text-underline-p
osition-property
[23]
https://drafts.csswg.org/css-text-decor-3/#text-underline-position-property
<fantasai>
[24]https://drafts.csswg.org/css-text-decor-3/issues-cr-2013#is
sue-21
[24] https://drafts.csswg.org/css-text-decor-3/issues-cr-2013#issue-21
<fantasai>
[25]https://github.com/w3c/csswg-drafts/commit/f205ff9dc6b969d0
15aa37c710b32d3845f137c9
[25]
https://github.com/w3c/csswg-drafts/commit/f205ff9dc6b969d015aa37c710b32d3845f137c9
<fantasai> [26]https://github.com/w3c/csswg-drafts/issues/160
[26] https://github.com/w3c/csswg-drafts/issues/160
<fantasai>
[27]https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-style/2015Jun/0340
.html
[27] https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-style/2015Jun/0340.html
<fantasai> [28]https://github.com/w3c/csswg-drafts/issues/1055
[28] https://github.com/w3c/csswg-drafts/issues/1055
<fantasai>
[29]https://github.com/w3c/csswg-drafts/issues/1055#issuecommen
t-337752816
[29]
https://github.com/w3c/csswg-drafts/issues/1055#issuecomment-337752816
[30]https://drafts.csswg.org/css-text-decor-3/issues-cr-2013#is
sue-29
[30] https://drafts.csswg.org/css-text-decor-3/issues-cr-2013#issue-29
<fantasai>
[31]https://drafts.csswg.org/css-text-decor-3/issues-cr-2013#is
sue-29
[31] https://drafts.csswg.org/css-text-decor-3/issues-cr-2013#issue-29
<r12a> [32]http://w3c.github.io/i18n-activity/reviews/
[32] http://w3c.github.io/i18n-activity/reviews/
<fantasai> r12a, we just closed #388
<r12a> ok
<r12a> rssagent, draft minutes
<fantasai> 433 should be closed
<fantasai> r12a -
<fantasai>
[33]https://github.com/w3c/csswg-drafts/issues/1146#issuecommen
t-364181581
[33]
https://github.com/w3c/csswg-drafts/issues/1146#issuecomment-364181581
<fantasai> we just closed 387
<fantasai> and 391
<fantasai> 432 should also be closed, added feature i nL4
<fantasai> and I think that's it for L3 issues
<fantasai> r12a: Missed an issue - wanted to confirm that
underlines in Mongolian go on the right.
<fantasai>
[34]https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-style/2011Mar/0405
.html
[34] https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-style/2011Mar/0405.html
<fantasai> if y'all happen to have that info :)
<fantasai> otherwise we go with what we have
<r12a> hold on...
<r12a> [35]https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues/20
[35] https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues/20
<r12a> elika [36]https://github.com/w3c/type-samples/issues/55
[36] https://github.com/w3c/type-samples/issues/55
<fantasai> :)
<r12a> also [37]https://github.com/w3c/type-samples/issues/58
[37] https://github.com/w3c/type-samples/issues/58
<fantasai> oooooh, nice!
Summary of Action Items
Summary of Resolutions
[End of minutes]
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