[minutes] Internationalization telecon 2016-09-29


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Internationalization Working Group Teleconference

29 Sep 2016



    See also: [3]IRC log

       [3] http://www.w3.org/2016/09/29-i18n-irc


           Addison, Steve, Richard, Lina, Felix, felix, joconner,

           JcK, Francesco

           Addison Phillips

           Addison Phillips


      * [4]Topics
          1. [5]Agenda
          2. [6]Action Items
          3. [7]Info Share
          4. [8]Radar and Active Work Review
          5. [9]Issue Triage
          6. [10]FindText API and Web Platform Charter
          7. [11]What happened at TPAC?
          8. [12]Charmod, Encoding, etc.
          9. [13]AOB?
      * [14]Summary of Action Items
      * [15]Summary of Resolutions


Action Items


      [16] https://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/open


    <trackbot> action-536 -- Richard Ishida to Publish
    predefined-counter-styles as a wg note -- due 2016-06-30 --


      [17] http://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/536

    richard: getting some comments and need to address them first


    <trackbot> action-538 -- Addison Phillips to Work with richard
    and plh to establish procedure for bringing changes to encoding
    forward -- due 2016-06-30 -- OPEN


      [18] http://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/538

    <scribe> done

    close action-538

    <trackbot> Closed action-538.

    <scribe> ACTION: richard to establish a process for
    auto-publishing updates to encoding on a regular basis
    [recorded in

      [19] http://www.w3.org/2016/09/29-i18n-minutes.html#action01]

    <trackbot> Created ACTION-560 - Establish a process for
    auto-publishing updates to encoding on a regular basis [on
    Richard Ishida - due 2016-10-06].


    <trackbot> action-542 -- Richard Ishida to Ask after
    dpub-pagination status and if they want/ready for a review --
    due 2016-07-28 -- OPEN


      [20] http://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/542

    close action-542

    <trackbot> Closed action-542.

    richard: aware that's a question and may get around to it
    eventually; not ready now

    close action-549

    <trackbot> Closed action-549.



    <trackbot> action-551 -- Addison Phillips to Drop current
    charmod section 4 into the wiki for posterity or future use and
    then edit to remove -- due 2016-09-15 -- OPEN


      [21] http://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/551

    addison: created string-search for that

    close action-551

    <trackbot> Closed action-551.


    <trackbot> action-552 -- Addison Phillips to Write to json-ld
    about potential for a serialization form for natural language
    strings to address issues with dir and lang -- due 2016-09-29
    -- OPEN


      [22] http://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/552

    addison: read json-ld, will have a draft next week


    <trackbot> action-554 -- Addison Phillips to Work to schedule a
    review of microformats -- due 2016-09-29 -- OPEN


      [23] http://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/554


    <trackbot> action-556 -- Elika Etemad to Convert her text
    justification to respec -- due 2016-09-30 -- OPEN


      [24] http://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/556

    richard: did that for her

    close action-556

    <trackbot> Closed action-556.

    close action-557

    <trackbot> Closed action-557.


    <trackbot> action-558 -- Richard Ishida to Do due diligence on
    converting layout tfs to cgs -- due 2016-09-30 -- OPEN


      [25] http://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/558

    richard: did some of that, need to chat with Wendy
    ... will talk about later
    ... on it

    close action-559

    <trackbot> Closed action-559.

Info Share

    welcoming new members

    Lina: excited to be here
    ... based in Israel, work in IBM on bidi stuff
    ... contribute to ICU

    JohnOC: work at Intuit
    ... some experience with primarily the Java platform
    ... since then have worked in I18N
    ... creating a localization platfrom

Radar and Active Work Review


      [26] http://w3c.github.io/i18n-activity/radar/

    richard: one more just came through from amy
    ... activitypub just moved to w3c domain
    ... ttml, should have a list of new stuff
    ... watch ruby stuff
    ... including non-css/non-jlreq items

    steve: justification?

    richard: captioning on tvs and film

    steve: need to keep css and ttml in sync?

    addison: yeah

    richard: svg2 needs love


      [27] http://w3c.github.io/i18n-activity/projects/

    addison: some traffic on mongolian and nnbsp; want to do
    something diff

    richard: participating in wg2
    ... he and the other mongolian experts
    ... edx: now a css course released, need to look at it
    ... check for i18n issues

    unicode conference coming soon!

    richard: who's going?

    addison, richard...

Issue Triage


      [28] http://w3c.github.io/i18n-activity/reviews/


      [29] https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues/225

    <fsasaki> sorry, have to go - cheers


      [30] https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues/226

    steve: first clarify and then guide?

    addison: basically yes, can't tell if iri or uri or what


      [31] https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues/227

    lina: nice to have the direction, as2 has the same problem


      [32] https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues/208


      [33] https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues/207

    both accepted

    richard: typo in the github in this spec?
    ... new version of webauthn yesterday

FindText API and Web Platform Charter

    addison: do we care that this is falling on the floor?

What happened at TPAC?

    <r12a> [34]https://www.w3.org/2016/09/22-i18n-minutes.html

      [34] https://www.w3.org/2016/09/22-i18n-minutes.html

    <r12a> [35]https://www.w3.org/2016/09/23-i18n-minutes.html

      [35] https://www.w3.org/2016/09/23-i18n-minutes.html

    richard: will have minutes soon, here's the minutes
    ... outcome of encoding with anne
    ... problem has been that we don't update our snapshot
    ... not close to his version
    ... so we decided to publish quite regularly
    ... if only editorial changes can publsih straightaway
    ... if substantive then 'call for exclusion' takes two months
    ... can do immediately but then have to wait 2 months until
    next one

    addison: also got permission to point to whatwg's copy of

    richard: easier to keep up to date, not a substantive change
    any more
    ... following up with implementers
    ... dean jackson from safari
    ... spoke to travis from msft
    ... moz has henri sivonen
    ... should solve all the problems (hopefully)
    ... jungshik working bugs on chrome
    ... movement of impls!
    ... wednesday had meetings about horizontal reviews
    ... reorg underway
    ... ralph swick has responsibility to see that horizontal
    reviews get done

    addison: a11y, tag

    najib: did you talk about arabic layout?

    richard: no, other than in passing
    ... reported making progress, started on justification
    ... not much more detail
    ... did have a session on chinese layout TF
    ... in minutes
    ... also a discussion about whether to move TFs to Community
    Groups (CGs)
    ... sounded good, but details may or may not be as compatible
    as we thought
    ... still investigating
    ... CGs make make easy to join
    ... but it's not that simple
    ... and some organizational principles
    ... own agreements
    ... not same as Invited Expert
    ... doc in CG and handed over when final
    ... not how we've done things
    ... WG continues working, RI allowed to work... but more anon
    as we study it

    Lina: hebrew TF?
    ... proposed a couple months ago
    ... prepared charter draft
    ... what is next step?
    ... share with richard, addison and martin?

    richard: yes. thanks for bringing up
    ... send charter and can do next steps

    najib: some shared maybe?

    richard: discussion with fantasai
    ... who is in i18n WG, but mostly does CSS
    ... does the i18n for css
    ... she put a document about justificiation together
    ... links to other docs
    ... subset of ours

    <r12a> [36]http://w3c.github.io/typography/

      [36] http://w3c.github.io/typography/

    richard: that link will be useful to Lina
    ... known info about layout for non-Latin scripts
    ... fantasai was worried just on github
    ... summary is that created a doc already but need to post
    ... which will be at above address
    ... to have TR equiv (so w3c)
    ... contain elika's stuff in slightly diff form
    ... she may provide other brief summaries
    ... working on it!
    ... will try to keep page as it looks now for folks setting up
    ... and others
    ... helps structure document for layout docs for example
    ... don't want links to two places

    pull stuff from social into our minutes

    richard: tried to review items marked "closed?"

    addison: volunteers needed

    richard: read minutes for the other things we pulled out

Charmod, Encoding, etc.

    <r12a> [37]http://w3c.github.io/charmod-norm/

      [37] http://w3c.github.io/charmod-norm/

    <r12a> [38]https://w3c.github.io/string-search/

      [38] https://w3c.github.io/string-search/

    addison: welcome comments on charmod-norm

    <r12a> [39]https://github.com/w3c/charmod-norm/issues

      [39] https://github.com/w3c/charmod-norm/issues


    richard: need to do the echidna thing and fix the thing about
    TR in green box

    addison: yep

    richard: ethiopic recently published, please look

    <r12a> [40]http://w3c.github.io/elreq/

      [40] http://w3c.github.io/elreq/

    <r12a> [41]http://w3c.github.io/elreq/

      [41] http://w3c.github.io/elreq/

    richard: issue list is a bit strange here
    ... there are like 80 issues used for a survey
    ... filter those out

    <r12a> [42]http://w3c.github.io/i18n-activity/reviews/

      [42] http://w3c.github.io/i18n-activity/reviews/

    <r12a> [43]http://w3c.github.io/i18n-activity/repostatus/

      [43] http://w3c.github.io/i18n-activity/repostatus/

Summary of Action Items

    [NEW] ACTION: richard to establish a process for
    auto-publishing updates to encoding on a regular basis
    [recorded in

      [44] http://www.w3.org/2016/09/29-i18n-minutes.html#action01

Summary of Resolutions

    [End of minutes]

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