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Internationalization Working Group Teleconference
21 Jul 2016
[2]Agenda
[2]
https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-i18n-core/2016Jul/0012.html
See also: [3]IRC log
[3] http://www.w3.org/2016/07/21-i18n-irc
Attendees
Present
Addison, Felix, Richard, Francesco, David
Regrets
Steve
Chair
Addison Phillips
Scribe
aphillip
Contents
* [4]Topics
1. [5]Agenda
2. [6]Action Items
3. [7]Info Share
4. [8]Radar
5. [9]Issue Triage
6. [10]Proposal to move Ethiopic LREQ to FPWD
7. [11]Review: Data on the Web Best Practices
8. [12]AOB?
* [13]Summary of Action Items
* [14]Summary of Resolutions
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Agenda
Action Items
[15]https://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/open
[15] https://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/open
action-536?
<trackbot> action-536 -- Richard Ishida to Publish
predefined-counter-styles as a wg note -- due 2016-06-30 --
OPEN
<trackbot>
[16]http://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/536
[16] http://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/536
richard: a couple of weeks yet; may want to get yet another
title
action-537?
<trackbot> action-537 -- Addison Phillips to File bugs against
failing browsers, referring back to the encoding issue list,
and update the encoding issues -- due 2016-06-30 -- OPEN
<trackbot>
[17]http://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/537
[17] http://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/537
addison: done
close action-537
<trackbot> Closed action-537.
action-539?
<trackbot> action-539 -- Addison Phillips to Write an email
objecting to lack of i18n review and review coordination and
pointing out that there are issues that should be addressed --
due 2016-07-21 -- OPEN
<trackbot>
[18]http://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/539
[18] http://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/539
close action-539
<trackbot> Closed action-539.
action-540?
<trackbot> action-540 -- Addison Phillips to Forward dwbp issue
reformulation to richard this afternoon (14 jul) -- due
2016-07-21 -- OPEN
<trackbot>
[19]http://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/540
[19] http://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/540
<scribe> done
close action-540
<trackbot> Closed action-540.
richard: let's talk about it later
Info Share
group welcomes new member Francesco
francesco: from italy, florence
... web communications manager
... very interested in w3c, getting involved
richard: news that we have two other new members
lina from IBM in Israel
scribe: interested HLREQ
barry leiba from Huawei
they are not on call today
richard: tpac is approaching
(please register asap)
(book hotel and such)
Sign up for TPAC! [20]https://www.w3.org/2016/09/TPAC/
[20] https://www.w3.org/2016/09/TPAC/
richard: firefox has implemented isolate override as default
for <bdo>
<r12a>
[21]https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/Firefox/Releases/50#HTM
L
[21] https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/Firefox/Releases/50#HTML
Radar
[22]http://w3c.github.io/i18n-activity/radar/
[22] http://w3c.github.io/i18n-activity/radar/
richard: phil submitted a new one
... maybe a transreq
felix: already on the list
[23]http://w3c.github.io/i18n-activity/projects/
[23] http://w3c.github.io/i18n-activity/projects/
richard: meeting about egyptian hieroglyphs
... went there
... how it works in unicode
... mailing list on it. let me know if you want info
... language is very graphic
... script combines in two dimentional arrangements
... different in vertical and horizontal
... lots of complex choices
Issue Triage
richard: forgot something earlier
... project review
... have started porting JLReq (Japanese) to github and respec
... so that would enable us to produce a new version
... incorp errata and feedback
... and also to get feedback via an issues list
... a lot of work, so will take time
[24]http://w3c.github.io/i18n-activity/reviews/
[24] http://w3c.github.io/i18n-activity/reviews/
presentation-api • i18n-ISSUE-493: add sections (non-I18N)
[25]https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues/112
[25] https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues/112
micropub • no language or direction or localizability of error
message? [26]https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues/183
[26] https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues/183
remove pending?
find-text • FindText API vs. Charmod-Norm
[27]https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues/106
[27] https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues/106
close as obsoltee
html • Use of modifier keys for accesskey
[28]https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues/159
[28] https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues/159
<scribe> ACTION: richard: revise issue 159 about modifier keys
and make appropriate revisions [recorded in
[29]http://www.w3.org/2016/07/21-i18n-minutes.html#action01]
[29] http://www.w3.org/2016/07/21-i18n-minutes.html#action01]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-541 - Revise issue 159 about modifier
keys and make appropriate revisions [on Richard Ishida - due
2016-07-28].
packaging-on-the-web • i18n-ISSUE-404: Lang matching undefined
[30]https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues/60
[30] https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues/60
remove pending and forward
url • i18n-ISSUE-402: Broken copy/paste behavior with IRIs
[31]https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues/58
[31] https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues/58
web-payments-use-cases • i18n-ISSUE-476: International payment,
taxation, delivery and trade restriction practices
[32]https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues/82
[32] https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues/82
<scribe> closed as stale
dpub-latinreq • i18n-ISSUE-390: Extended Latin Characters
Covered in Text but not in Title
[33]https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues/47
[33] https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues/47
richard: "... books in languages using the Latin script..."
(missing script)
david: English retains accents from sources
richard: wider point is perhaps valid, not just English or
ASCII
[34]http://w3c.github.io/dpub-pagination/
[34] http://w3c.github.io/dpub-pagination/
<scribe> ACTION: richard: ask after dpub-pagination status and
if they want/ready for a review [recorded in
[35]http://www.w3.org/2016/07/21-i18n-minutes.html#action02]
[35] http://www.w3.org/2016/07/21-i18n-minutes.html#action02]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-542 - Ask after dpub-pagination
status and if they want/ready for a review [on Richard Ishida -
due 2016-07-28].
dpub-aria • i18n-ISSUE-480: New role for Ruby?
[36]https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues/83
[36] https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues/83
close as stale
Proposal to move Ethiopic LREQ to FPWD
richard: daniel working on ethiopic document
... plans to create a survey to get answers to questions
<r12a> [37]http://w3c.github.io/elreq/
[37] http://w3c.github.io/elreq/
richard: would help to have current document available
... link above
... want to make First Public Working Draft
addison: chair asks you to vote on publication of ELREQ as a
First Public Working Draft
<David> +1
<r12a> +1
+1
<fsasaki> +1
<Francesco> 0
no objections, so resolved
(francesco as new member abstained)
<scribe> ACTION: richard: publish elreq as FPWD [recorded in
[38]http://www.w3.org/2016/07/21-i18n-minutes.html#action03]
[38] http://www.w3.org/2016/07/21-i18n-minutes.html#action03]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-543 - Publish elreq as fpwd [on
Richard Ishida - due 2016-07-28].
Review: Data on the Web Best Practices
[39]http://w3c.github.io/i18n-activity/reviews/#dwbp
[39] http://w3c.github.io/i18n-activity/reviews/#dwbp
richard: no objection to any of these, but not sure I
understand them all
[40]https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues/19
[40] https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues/19
felix: think this is a general best practice that should be
mentioned
<r12a>
[41]https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-i18n-core/2016J
ul/0011.html
[41]
https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-i18n-core/2016Jul/0011.html
<r12a>
[42]https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-i18n-core/2016J
ul/0013.html
[42]
https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-i18n-core/2016Jul/0013.html
felix: linked data work, not clear enough in what they want
... no objection to addison's edits
paste addison's edits to 19, remove pending, forward
[43]https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues/185
[43] https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues/185
felix: went through all, items with no comment like this are
fine with me
this one okay
[44]https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues/186
[44] https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues/186
no objections
[45]https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues/188
[45] https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues/188
no objections
[46]https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues/187
[46] https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues/187
[47]https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues/190
[47] https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues/190
may not be standard means of indicating direction; identified
gap
no best practice here because no practice that is best yet?
acknowledge that direction has no established BP, but forward
comment. language does have an established set of mechanisms
[48]https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues/189
[48] https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues/189
felix: no linked data version; can't point to something that
doesn't exist. it's a technology or standard gap
richard: if you have a date format, you can say this is an
xsd:dateTime
... don't need a url for that
... could we use tags: there can't really be URL for all of
them
felix: would need a service that sent information about the
language tag
richard: much more complicated
felix: needs a persistent service
richard: think we need to raise the issue
... need to make them aware it's a bad solution
... have it registered as an issue
addison: agree
felix: doing what is currently technically possible
... maybe no solution yet but defintely state the problem
addison: forward?
richard: yes but rewrite slightly
[49]https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues/193
[49] https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues/193
dupe of 19
merge info?
separate docs, so not a dupe
felix: "we are aware of a technology gap, but from user point
of view this is an important issue"
... point it out in your document
richard: be aware that tech doesn't meet WWW requirements
[50]https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues/192
[50] https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues/192
felix: change explanation (treat as typo)
addison: agree
... any other issues?
richard: next steps: rewrite some, then tell me
<scribe> ACTION: addison: add comment with final text for
issues in dwbp as discussed in teleconference for final
consumption and when done, send notification to richard
[recorded in
[51]http://www.w3.org/2016/07/21-i18n-minutes.html#action04]
[51] http://www.w3.org/2016/07/21-i18n-minutes.html#action04]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-544 - Add comment with final text for
issues in dwbp as discussed in teleconference for final
consumption and when done, send notification to richard [on
Addison Phillips - due 2016-07-28].
AOB?
Summary of Action Items
[NEW] ACTION: addison: add comment with final text for issues
in dwbp as discussed in teleconference for final consumption
and when done, send notification to richard [recorded in
[52]http://www.w3.org/2016/07/21-i18n-minutes.html#action04]
[NEW] ACTION: richard: ask after dpub-pagination status and if
they want/ready for a review [recorded in
[53]http://www.w3.org/2016/07/21-i18n-minutes.html#action02]
[NEW] ACTION: richard: publish elreq as FPWD [recorded in
[54]http://www.w3.org/2016/07/21-i18n-minutes.html#action03]
[NEW] ACTION: richard: revise issue 159 about modifier keys and
make appropriate revisions [recorded in
[55]http://www.w3.org/2016/07/21-i18n-minutes.html#action01]
[52] http://www.w3.org/2016/07/21-i18n-minutes.html#action04
[53] http://www.w3.org/2016/07/21-i18n-minutes.html#action02
[54] http://www.w3.org/2016/07/21-i18n-minutes.html#action03
[55] http://www.w3.org/2016/07/21-i18n-minutes.html#action01
Summary of Resolutions
[End of minutes]
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