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Re: CfC: Approve overview of testing in view of permissive CR exit criteria

From: Martin J. Dürst <duerst@it.aoyama.ac.jp>
Date: Wed, 02 Oct 2013 18:00:30 +0900
Message-ID: <524BE0AE.5000009@it.aoyama.ac.jp>
To: Richard Ishida <ishida@w3.org>
CC: Sam Ruby <rubys@intertwingly.net>, www International <www-international@w3.org>
On 2013/10/02 16:33, Richard Ishida wrote:
> [cc+ www-international]

Only to www-international for the moment, but please feel free to 
forward where approriate.

> On 01/10/2013 21:51, Sam Ruby wrote:
>> Current status.
>> Original call:
>> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-admin/2013Jun/0033.html
>> This lead to some discussion in June that was resolved amicably:
>> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-admin/2013Jun/0083.html
>> In September, we received the following feedback, containing three
>> points:
>> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-admin/2013Sep/0012.html
>> The first point concerns a bug report. The chairs would like to see the
>> resolution to that bug before issuing a final decision.
> It's my understanding that this bug originally related to two topics:
> 1. a proposal to make the lang attribute apply directionality
> 2. a proposal to make the dir attribute apply isolation
> and that topic 2 was moved to
> https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=22326 I believe it is
> this latter bug (about dir and isolation) that needs to be resolved for
> HTML 5.0, not the one quoted in Sam's mail.

Yes indeed.

> The former (now related to the lang attribute and direction) is, I
> believe, a new feature that is still needs further discussion and is
> probably best targeted at the next version of HTML.

It is my clear opinion, and has been since around 1995 or so, that 
making the lang attribute apply directionality automatically is wrong. 
It's an issue of script, not language, it looks easy for major languages 
such as Arabic and Hebrew, but there are many more languages that go 
RTL, and if desired, it can actually be achieved by CSS, with much more 
flexibility than if it were baked into HTML.

Regrads,    Martin.

> RI
>> The remaining points concern elements marked at risk and/or confirm
>> implementation status. Neither comment requires any change to the
>> overview at this time. More specifically, if an item currently marked
>> as "at risk" becomes implemented, it makes sense to include that
>> information in the final report.
>> tl;dr: we need the editors to resolve bug 18490
>> https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=18490
>> - Sam Ruby
>> On 06/13/2013 09:56 PM, Paul Cotton wrote:
>>> This is a Call for Consensus (CfC) to approve the parts of the following
>>> document that indicate which parts of the HTML5 specification can be
>>> considered interoperable as per the permissive CR exit criteria [1].
>>> The items subject to this CfC are marked "Considered interoperable" and
>>> color coded in green in the document:
>>> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tests-cr-exit.html
>>> Silence will be taken to mean there is no objection, but positive
>>> responses are encouraged. Objections should be made to specific
>>> entries in the document. Objections of the form "features in
>>> HTMLAllCollection are not currently interoperable" MUST be accompanied
>>> with specific evidence of non-interoperability, otherwise such
>>> objections will not be accepted by the Chairs.
>>> If there are no objections by Monday July 15, this resolution will
>>> carry.
>>> /paulc
>>> HTML WG co-chair
>>> [1]
>>> http://dev.w3.org/html5/decision-policy/public-permissive-exit-criteria.html
>>> Paul Cotton, Microsoft Canada
>>> 17 Eleanor Drive, Ottawa, Ontario K2E 6A3
>>> Tel: (425) 705-9596 Fax: (425) 936-7329
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