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RE: Ruby in HTML5

From: Richard Ishida <ishida@w3.org>
Date: Tue, 9 Mar 2010 08:50:46 -0000
To: <www-international@w3.org>, <public-html-ig-jp@w3.org>
Cc: "'Jeroen Ruigrok van der Werven'" <asmodai@in-nomine.org>
Message-ID: <007101cabf65$9c382dd0$d4a88970$@org>
Yesterday I was pointed to http://philip.html5.org/demos/html/ruby/wild-examples.html where Philip Taylor listed some examples of ruby use in the wild.

I had a quick look.

There are 12 pages cited.  

2 contain only broken markup fragments, so I think we should ignore them.

1 is Chinese and attempts to produce Bopomofo ruby, using some additional techniques.

The remaining 9 sites are Japanese, and of those 7 use the <rb> tag - and therefore are following the XHTML model rather than the HTML5 model.

None attempts to use complex ruby (which is not surprising, given the current level of support in browsers).

All of the pages found were HTML except one, which had an XHTML1 doctype (which again is not surprising, given implementation support for xhtml1.1).

Unfortunately, the list is a little old by the look of things - 1 site no longer exists and 2 no longer use ruby. Does anyone have a similar, up-to-date list, or could you make one?


PS: We should also remember that ruby is not exclusively for use by Japanese and Chinese users.  Anecdotally, here are a couple of links where people are using for glosses in other languages (and actually wanting to use complex ruby, if they could).

PPS: Here is a list of sites pointed to by Philips list:

Using <rb>
http://www.daiyama.co.jp/    HTML4
http://www.city.kawasaki.jp/25/25zinken/home/kidspage/    HTML4
http://contest2.thinkquest.jp/tqj2003/60224/   no doctype  
http://www.nanbyou.or.jp/sikkan/063.htm HTML4
http://www.city.otake.hiroshima.jp/kids/  no doctype  
http://www.nagano.ac.jp/   xhtml1 (this page no longer uses ruby)
http://www.tcp-ip.or.jp/~jswc3242/  no doctype  (this page no longer uses ruby)

Not using <rb>
http://www.pref.nagasaki.jp/toukei/kids/  html4
http://www.geocities.co.jp/Hollywood-Spotlight/2135/  page no longer exists

http://za455.myweb.hinet.net/ html

Richard Ishida
Internationalization Lead
W3C (World Wide Web Consortium)


> -----Original Message-----
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> Subject: Re: Ruby in HTML5
> -On [20100308 16:33], Richard Ishida (ishida@w3.org) wrote:
> >Do you by any chance have a pointer to that discussion ?
> I asked on the #WhatWG channel and Anne van Kesteren commented on it by
> explaining that nobody requested more than what Internet Explorer supports
> right now.
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