- From: CE Whitehead <cewcathar@hotmail.com>
- Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2006 16:43:07 -0500
- To: cowan@ccil.org
- Cc: www-international@w3.org
Hi, I checked again; you do still have both frm (Middle French) and fro (Old French) (somehow I missed the Old French subtag before and was wondering what periods frm encompassed); there might be a separate frern (Renaissance French) or something subtag but it does not seem so essential because I can use frm to include 17th century French in the New World perhaps by adding the regional tag US plus a comment somewhere in my meta content. That would do for me for now! so frm-US maybe ??? As opposed to fr-US-x-rn It's defining the dates that is the problem, mainly. I'll check though with some other people working in French to see if they want a tag for the 17th century. Thanks again for the started form. Disregard my previous email! Sincerely, C. E. Whitehead cewcathar@hotmail.com >From: John Cowan <cowan@ccil.org> >To: CE Whitehead <cewcathar@hotmail.com> >CC: www-international@w3.org >Subject: Re: What to do with Gaulish ? What to do with American >Renaissance French >Date: Thu, 9 Nov 2006 11:29:46 -0500 >MIME-Version: 1.0 >Received: from frink.w3.org ([128.30.52.16]) by >bay0-mc4-f8.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.2444); Thu, 9 >Nov 2006 08:31:15 -0800 >Received: from lists by frink.w3.org with local (Exim 4.50)id >1GiCn2-000543-Befor www-international-dist@listhub.w3.org; Thu, 09 Nov 2006 >16:30:09 +0000 >Received: from maggie.w3.org ([193.51.208.68])by frink.w3.org with esmtp >(Exim 4.50)id 1GiCmv-0004Xt-VKfor www-international@listhub.w3.org; Thu, 09 >Nov 2006 16:30:02 +0000 >Received: from mercury.ccil.org ([192.190.237.100])by maggie.w3.org with >esmtp (Exim 4.50)id 1GiCmi-0003Sv-G5for www-international@w3.org; Thu, 09 >Nov 2006 16:29:58 +0000 >Received: from cowan by mercury.ccil.org with local (Exim 4.34)id >1GiCmg-00064I-6V; Thu, 09 Nov 2006 11:29:46 -0500 >Received: none (maggie.w3.org: domain of cowan@ccil.org does not designate >permitted sender hosts) >X-Message-Info: txF49lGdW43kjS5jQTypm8tQbkhPFKiJh2U//OZg8bE= >References: <455219DF.3FE0@xyzzy.claranet.de> ><BAY114-F645694A1CCA28EB892699B3F00@phx.gbl> >User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.28i >X-W3C-Hub-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.6 >X-W3C-Scan-Sig: maggie.w3.org 1GiCmi-0003Sv-G5 >83ffcad26a0a4c9b69ae0fe25940c5db >X-Original-To: www-international@w3.org >X-Archived-At: http://www.w3.org/mid/20061109162946.GN16691@ccil.org >Resent-From: www-international@w3.org >X-Mailing-List: <www-international@w3.org> archive/latest/4880 >X-Loop: www-international@w3.org >Resent-Sender: www-international-request@w3.org >Precedence: list >List-Id: <www-international.w3.org> >List-Help: <http://www.w3.org/Mail/> >List-Unsubscribe: ><mailto:www-international-request@w3.org?subject=unsubscribe> >Resent-Message-Id: <E1GiCn2-000543-Be@frink.w3.org> >Resent-Date: Thu, 09 Nov 2006 16:30:08 +0000 >Return-Path: www-international-request@listhub.w3.org >X-OriginalArrivalTime: 09 Nov 2006 16:31:16.0603 (UTC) >FILETIME=[7A9CA4B0:01C7041C] > > >CE Whitehead scripsit: > > > I've been using fr-x-rn to identify Renaissance and 17th C French > > (x-rn is experimental since there is not a tag though there is clearly a > > Renaissance vocabulary that is in some ways reminiscent of Old > > French--medieval French--but is quite distinct from it). > >I'd urge you to go ahead and get a variant registered. Fill out the >following form and send it to ietf-languages@iana.org (register >by sending a request to ietf-languages-request@iana.org first): > > LANGUAGE SUBTAG REGISTRATION FORM > 1. Name of requester: C. E. Whitehead > 2. E-mail address of requester: cewcathar@hotmail.com > 3. Record Requested: > > Type: variant > Subtag: > Description: 17th-century French > Prefix: fr > Comments: > > 4. Intended meaning of the subtag: > 5. Reference to published description > of the language (book or article): > 6. Any other relevant information: > >I've filled it out in part already. Subtags are 5-8 letters or digits >long, and should be specific to the language in question ("Renaissance" >means different time periods in different cultures, not to mention that >there are other renaissances such as the Carolingian one). > >If your arguments are convincing, you could have a registered >subtag within a few weeks. > > > But I note that that the French from the New World at the time of the > > Renaissance & 17th C has some particularities of its own: > > > >[snip] > > > Is a tag like: > > fr-US-X-rn > > excessive? > >Not at all; it is very reasonable. It says "Modern French as spoken >in the U.S. with a private subtag 'rn'." If you register a standard >subtag per above, you will be able to use such combinations freely. > > > Or would such a tag be helpful; there is clearly a U.S. variety of > > French today, in Louisiana, but it's "Accadian;" there's also "Cajun" > > which combines English and French I guess. > >The next version of RFC 4646, which will incorporate ISO 639-3 (a >comprehensive list of languages based on the SIL Ethnologue) will >have codes for "Cajun French" (frc) and "Louisiana Creole French" (lou), >as well as lots of other French creoles from outside the U.S. >It's not currently licit to use those codes, but it's not like >anyone could stop you. > >-- >But the next day there came no dawn, John Cowan >and the Grey Company passed on into the cowan@ccil.org >darkness of the Storm of Mordor and were http://www.ccil.org/~cowan >lost to mortal sight; but the Dead >followed them. --"The Passing of the Grey Company" > _________________________________________________________________ Stay in touch with old friends and meet new ones with Windows Live Spaces http://clk.atdmt.com/MSN/go/msnnkwsp0070000001msn/direct/01/?href=http://spaces.live.com/spacesapi.aspx?wx_action=create&wx_url=/friends.aspx&mkt=en-us
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