Re: [i18n-prog] RE: [Fwd: Solaris box with ja as locale supports Roman numbers, Circled numbers in Japanese strings]

Sorry about the confusion, I mistaken the VDC characters in Solaris Japanese
locales. (It has been a quite long time that I looked at the JIS X 0208.)

With regards,

Ienup


] Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2003 13:38:33 -0800
] From: Xueming Shen <xueming.shen@sun.com>
] Subject: Re: [i18n-prog] RE: [Fwd: Solaris box with ja as locale supports 
Roman numbers,  Circled numbers in Japanese strings]
] To: i18n-prog@yahoogroups.com
] Cc: Ienup Sung <Ienup.Sung@Eng.Sun.COM>, www-international@w3c.org
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] 
] Steve,
] 
] They are "NEC Row 13" characters which are NOT part of jisx-x-208 but 
] supported by
] different vendors for "compability" reason. See man eucJP on  Solaris  
] for details. Windows
] also have them mapped to their sjis's Row89-92.
] 
] regards,
] 
] sherma
] 
] 
] Steve Billings wrote:
] 
] >Ienup:
] >
] >[I think i18n-prog may be more appropriate for this discussion that
] >www-international; can we move this discussion to i18n-prog?]
] >
] >  
] >
] >>Many Roman numerals and circled numbers are a part of JIS X 0208
] >>    
] >>
] >I don't see them in the Unicode 4.0 JIS mapping tables (that's the latest
] >version I happen to have at my fingertips). Do you know their Unicode or JIS
] >codepoints?
] >
] >When I enter circle-1 from my Windows 2000 Japanese IME (choosing the
] >circled-1 character from the list of choices presented for "ichi") into a
] >text file (notepad), and save it as Unicode, it saves the Unicode character
] >U+2460. This Unicode character does not appear in any of the Unicode 4.0 JIS
] >mappings: JIS0201.txt, JIS0208.txt, JIS0212.txt, or SHIFTJIS.txt (Unicode
] >4.0 CD: \Mappings\EASTASIA\JIS). (To find a mapping for it, you need to go
] >to \Mappings\VENDORS\Microsoft\WINDOWS\CP932.txt.)
] >
] >So when at least some software such as Oracle, for example, tries to convert
] >that character for storing in a Shift-JIS or EUC database, it fails to find
] >a mapping, and replaces it with the substitution character.
] >
] >It's certainly conceivable that some software (like, apparently, Sourav's
] >telnet client if he was running it on Windows) does some round-trip mapping
] >other than what's shown in the Unicode 4.0 tables. I'd be very interested to
] >learn which JIS characters are being mapped to. Sourav: can you supply the
] >hex value of the EUC character you find in the text file when you enter
] >circle-1?
] >
] >Steve
] >
] >Steve Billings
] >Global 360
] >Software Internationalization & Localization
] >http://www.global360.com/
] >Office: 978-266-1604
] >Cell:    978-697-8201
] >
] >-----Original Message-----
] >From: www-international-request@w3.org
] >[mailto:www-international-request@w3.org]On Behalf Of Ienup Sung
] >Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2003 12:41 PM
] >To: www-international@w3c.org
] >Subject: Re: [Fwd: Solaris box with ja as locale supports Roman numbers,
] >Circled numbers in Japanese strings]
] >
] >
] >Hello,
] >
] >Many Roman numerals and circled numbers are a part of JIS X 0208
] >and also a part of SJIS and so any Japanese EUC and Shift_JIS/PCK locales
] >will support the characters and that includes Japanese locales in Solaris.
] >And ISO-2022-JP also has JIS X 0208.
] >
] >With regards,
] >
] >Ienup
] >
] >
] >] Subject: Solaris box with ja as locale supports   Roman numbers, Circled
] >] numbers in Japanese strings
] >] Resent-Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2003 06:42:58 -0500 (EST)
] >] Resent-From: www-international@w3.org
] >] Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2003 02:42:41 -0500
] >] From: souravm <souravm@infosys.com> (by way of Martin Duerst
] >] <duerst@w3.org>)
] >] To: www-international@w3.org
] >]
] >]
] >]
] >]
] >]
] >] Hi Steve (and all),
] >]
] >] I'm observing something funny in Solaris box related to the issue of
] >] support for Roman numbers and Circled numbers in Japanese string by
] >EUC-JP,
] >] which we discussed previously.
] >]
] >] I'm having a solaris box 2.8. There I'm setting ja as locale (LANG=ja,
] >] LC_ALL=ja) which is supposed to be EUC-Jp equivalent in Solaris. I'm
] >] accessing the Solaris box from a telnet client - there also I'm setting
] >the
] >] encoding as EUC-JP.
] >]
] >] Now I'm trying to type those circled numbers and Roman numbers through the
] >] telnet client in - a) Command Prompt, b) In a file opened in VI editor.
] >]
] >] The observation is - I'm successfully able to type (in both command prompt
] >] and VI editor) and store those characters (in VI editor).
] >]
] >] Based on our previous understanding EUC-JP is not supposed to support
] >these
] >] characters. In that case I don't know how do we rationalize above
] >] observation.
] >]
] >] Any clue ?
] >]
] >] Regards,
] >] Sourav
] >]
] >] -----Original Message-----
] >] From: Steve Billings [mailto:billings@global360.com]
] >] Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2003 2:48 AM
] >] To: souravm; www-international@w3.org
] >] Subject: RE: Query on Encoding supporting Roman numbers, Circled numbers
] >in
] >] Japanese strings
] >]
] >] Those characters are non-JIS-standard characters (therefore not in
] >] ISO-2022-JP or EUC-JP) that exist in Microsoft CP932 (the Japanese Windows
] >] codepage). In other words: yes, you are correct.
] >]
] >] Steve
] >]
] >]
] >] Steve Billings
] >] Global 360
] >] Software Internationalization & Localization
] >] http://www.global360.com/
] >] Office: 978-266-1604
] >] Cell:    978-697-8201
] >]
] >] -----Original Message-----
] >] From: www-international-request@w3.org
] >] [mailto:www-international-request@w3.org]On Behalf Of souravm (by way of
] >] Martin Duerst <duerst@w3.org>)
] >] Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2003 12:17 PM
] >] To: www-international@w3.org
] >] Subject: Query on Encoding supporting Roman numbers, Circled numbers in
] >] Japanese strings
] >]
] >]
] >]
] >]
] >] Hi All,
] >]
] >] I've a simple application which accepts Japanese string from a HTML form
] >] and then show the same string in the response page.
] >]
] >] Now if I enter Roman characters like I, II, etc and Circled numbers like
] >] $B-!!"-"(B etc as a part of Japanese string, the string is properly
] >shown
] >back
] >] in response page when the encoding used is UTF-8. However, the same thing
] >] does not work in case of EUC_JP, Shift_JIS and ISO-2022-JP as encoding.
] >]
] >] I believe these characters are not supported in EUC_JP, Shift_JIS and
] >] ISO-2022_jp. Can anyone please confirm it ?
] >]
] >] Regards,
] >] Sourav
] >]
] >]
] >]
] >
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