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RE: International standards for various forms of profile data

From: Carl W. Brown <cbrown@xnetinc.com>
Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2001 12:59:24 -0700
To: <David_Possin@i2.com>, "Kremena Gotcheva" <infom@bcci.bg>
Cc: <www-international@w3.org>

Part of the problem is categorizing the data you need.  For example you
categorize gender for English and German.  To be complete you might want to
consider that girls in German are neuter(I don't know of other languages
that do this) .

Tokenizing addresses for say US, Russian and Japanese addresses is not a
simple task.   Besides a letter for say Venezuela to me would be:

Carl W. Brown
X.Net, Inc.
3452 Shangri-La Rd.
Lafayette, CA 94549

International mail requires hybrid addresses.  Not an easy task.


  -----Original Message-----
  From: www-international-request@w3.org
[mailto:www-international-request@w3.org]On Behalf Of David_Possin@i2.com
  Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2001 12:32 PM
  To: Kremena Gotcheva
  Cc: www-international@w3.org
  Subject: Re: International standards for various forms of profile data

  I will be doing what I can for en_US and de_DE, these being my 2 native
locales. Currently I am just collecting whatever data I can find in the
areas I listed below. I plan to design a definitive requirement for our
March SW release by mid-December, that should give me enough time for a good
research and compilation of data. I do plan to host the results on a web
site when they are finished, notifying the members of this list of its
presence. I might even design it so that members can update the tables for
their locale online.

  The tables will look like this:

  table                                lang_table
  data_id        data_type                 locale                data_std
data_long        data_short        data_description

  0001        gender                        en_US                male
male                m                male gender
                                  de_DE                männl.
männlich        m                männliches Geschlecht
  0002        gender                        en_US                female
female                f                female gender
                                  de_DE                weibl.
weiblich                w                weibliches Geschlecht

  Not all fields might be required for each instance, but so far I was able
to store all locale specific information in this format.

  Thanks for your cooperation, Kremena

  - Dave

       "Kremena Gotcheva" <infom@bcci.bg>
        08/30/01 01:08 PM

                To:        <David_Possin@i2.com>
                Subject:        Re: International standards for various
forms of profile data

  OK, I can do my best as far as Bulgarian is concerned but please share the
results, e.g. publishing on this mailing list or in a personal mailing. I am
also working on a project that is likely to involve a lot of i18n.

  How soon do you need the data? Can you mail me a 'dummy' list of all
details you have so far found out you need, to give me something to think

  Much success,
  Kremena Gotcheva
  Bulgarian Chamber of Commerce an Industry
  ----- Original Message -----
  From: David_Possin@i2.com
  Hello everybody,

  I am currently working the i18n/l10n requirements for creating and
maintaining company and person profile data for our ecommerce framework. Due
to the large diversity of our customers we want to offer standard base data
for international support in all supported languages. This was originally
done by our customer in their respective local offices, but the magnitude is
getting overwhelming and our support staff cannot keep up with their

  I am looking for resources for specific profile data information in as
many languages/locales/cultures/regions as possible, preferably backed up by
national standards organizations. Here are the major areas I have started to
    a.. Common Honorifics, Salutations, Titles; their placement rules and
correct usage (regular expressions)
    b.. Gender and Marriage Status specifications (some countries do not
allow divorces, but may allow the term separated or legally separated)
    c.. Surnames and Additions (like Henry III or the Third)
    d.. Usage of Maiden Names and other genealogical information (I remember
Spanish heritage listing as a nightmare: uuuu y vvvv y wwww y xxxxx and so
    e.. Religions and Sub-Groups (like Protestant, Lutheran or Reformed)
    f.. Legal business identifications (like in Germany: AG, KG, GmbH, GmbH
& Co. KG, etc.)

    There are probably dozens more parts of information that should be used
to be complete, there are probably additional fields that don't even apply
to a Western culture. I would appreciate getting as much info as I can, I
will compile a list and send it out to the group once it looks like I have
all. I am especially interested in native standards in the respective
    Thanking all in advance,

    David Possin
    International QA Engineer (i18n & l10n)
    i2 Technologies - Austin
Received on Thursday, 30 August 2001 15:59:40 UTC

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