- From: Tina Holmboe <tina@greytower.net>
- Date: Sat, 31 Mar 2007 17:13:11 +0200 (CEST)
- To: www-html@w3.org
On 31 Mar, sunil vanmullem wrote:
> communities the ability to litigate. Though this shouldn't be allowed
> to act as a hindrance to invention, innovation or the ability to
> progress.
This topic has nothing to do with setting up roadblocks for invention,
innovation or progress, and everything with what job of a markup
language should be: to structure information and supply hooks for
semantic interpretation. We can discuss whether THAT applies, still.
The straw-man argument that is the stick-in-the-mud defense doesn't
even apply here.
There is NO progress involved in re-inventing the FRAME tag and
calling it DIV - we've been there before, and the exact same problems
exist, the more unpleasant ones - in my view - being that
* The UA must be able to assemble a single source document from
multiple references (Lynx' method is good, but hardly accessible.
Imagine reading a document that way. Out loud or by braille)
* The actually /content/ depends on multiple HTTP requests, some of
which may fail. (If half the document fail to load, it's a problem,
right?
* Multiple connections add to the cost, and to the server load;
neither, of course, accessibility problems per se.
> It doesn't necessarily follow that the lowest common denominator
> should have the highest influence. i.e. the assertion about being
> back to square one.
The assertion referred to the SRC attribute having the same problem
today as when first introduced for FRAME - not to 'lowest common
denominators' of browsers.
Unless an author wish to say "This is the minimum requirement for an
UA used to access my content", then a document needs be built on the
server - and that means we are back to square one with reference to
the topic we are discussing.
As Shane points out: XHTML 2 isn't designed to be backwards
compatible, but regardless. Still there exist issues that ought be
raised. Personally I'd /not/ be happy if my XHTML 2 browser on my PDA
had to make multiple GPRS connections to create one document when it
could have been done on the server. Money is a-wastin'.
> If the end user chooses not to use certified browsers, that is their
> choice and at some point in time they would need to upgrade as
> applications evolve.
You are making an assumption that the end user (a) can make the choice
to 'upgrade', and (b) that a 'certified' browser is available.
There /are/ problems with client-side 'embedding' of documents or
document fragments - both in principle and in practice. It cannot be
solved by "Oh, well, it's the user's duty to stay abreast of
developments!"
No, I don't think XHTML 2 should allow SRC on everything.
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- Tina Holmboe Greytower Technologies
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