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Re: HTML5 script start tag should select appropriate content model according to src

From: Lachlan Hunt <lachlan.hunt@lachy.id.au>
Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2007 12:21:08 +1000
Message-ID: <462EBB14.4020302@lachy.id.au>
To: tina@greytower.net
CC: www-html@w3.org

Tina Holmboe wrote:
> I do /not/ expect the W3C to simply take aboard a document created by
> an industry group and in rather dire need of revision. It's not good
> enough.

Why isn't it good enough?  Could you be a little more specific about 
what is wrong with it?

> It has the entirely wrong focus, has started off on the wrong 
> foot, is huge, unwieldy, and - my personal view - badly written.

What is wrong with its focus?  In fact, what do you think the focus is, 
and what, in your opinion, would be the right focus?

> At this point in time I suggest we start with 4.01 Strict,

HTML 4.01 is extremely poorly defined, it is not interoperably 
implemented and does not reflect reality.  Why would it be a better 
start than HTML5?

> toss out deprecated elements

HTML5 has not included most deprecated elements, though it has revived 
several features that were wrongly deprecated, like <menu>, <iframe>, 
<ol start=""> and <li value="">.

>  and *everything presentational*

Other than <b> and <i>, and <font style=""> (for WYSIWYG editors only), 
HTML5 doesn't, AFAICS, include any other features that could be 
considered presentational.  Of those, <font> is the only one I would 
agree with dropping.  Its inclusion is very much disputed and I suspect 
it will be dropped in favour of allowing style="" on almost any element, 
or possibly dropped entirely in favour of scoped stylesheets.

> merge the good ideas from WA1, and start with the resulting draft.

Do you realise how much time we would waste by starting with HTML4 and 
removing/replacing with features from HTML5, just to end up with a spec 
equivalent to the HTML5 spec we have now?  A much better approach would 
be to start with the much more mature HTML5 spec and raise issues 
against the specific sections you have problems with.

Lachlan Hunt
Received on Wednesday, 25 April 2007 02:21:18 UTC

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