- From: Erik <erik@inch.com>
- Date: Wed, 3 Apr 1996 19:06:30 +0100
- To: "'Charles Peyton Taylor'" <CTaylor@wposmtp.nps.navy.mil>
- Cc: "'www-html@w3.org'" <www-html@w3.org>
CSS is largely uniteligble. It's C-like syntax is confusing to anyone who is unfamaialr with C. The success of the web was and still is hinged on simplicity.
I know for a fact that most casual HTML authors I talk to are ignoring Java and CSS...they will continue to convert to the simpler Microsoft/Netscape methodology of page-layout markup tags and embedded scripting.
This is what the people want....new features--not new syntax and new concepts.
However, the concept of CSS is essential...it's just the goofy implementation that concerns me as a viable extension to the web.
why not just use an INSERT tag to include a style definition....
<STYLE>
<BODY BACKGROUND=#000000>
<STYLE NAME=H2>
<FONT SIZE=12 FACE=Times,Serif COLOR=#FFFFFF>
</STYLE>
<STYLE NAME=H3>
<FONT SIZE=10 FACE=Times,Serif COLOR=#FFFFFF>
</STYLE>
</STYLE>
or something equally silly
Also...about Microsoft and Netscape...
HTML authors are most often NOT skilled coders. In fact, most of them can't figure out how to join a mailing list.
These companies are not "showing off", they are responging to demand in a competitive marketplace for features without complexity.
W3's ideas will be left as a curious anachronism if they ignore the demands of the users.
Microsoft will own the web unless someone else plays their game better than they do.
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From: Charles Peyton Taylor
Sent: Thursday, February 29, 1996 3:23 AM
To: www-html@w3.org
Subject: Re: SGML macros using DSSSL expressions -Reply
>>> Erik Aronesty <erik@inch.com> 02/24/96 11:14pm >>>
<snipped text about complexity in HTML>
>microsofts use of font face and size...along
>with other simple tags are enough for
>95% of the people. We should focus on what
>the people and the industries want.
I could agree with that if you only said "the
industries" and if you limit that to only those
companies who make web software.
I've wanted CSS style sheets for a while now,
and I haven't seen anything by the larger browser
manufacturers promising to implement them now
or when they are finalized. Oh, <banner> and
<FIG>, too. [1]
Really, if a browser can do frames, why can't a
browser can do <banner>? If a browser can do
<table> and <img>, a browser should be able to
do <fig>. Style sheets might take a little more
processing, but hell, if you have <font> ...
I really believe the major browser companies
(you know who I mean) add tags simply so that
they can shout "hey, look what *WE* invented"
and that they don't really care about implementing
that which they didn't invent (unless the market
forces them towards something like HTML 2.0 .)
>maybe i'm mad...but the CSS syntax is bad enough.
I didn't find it so bad, except I kept confusing the
old format with the new format. The great thing about
CSS (when used with a working browser) is that you only
have to do everything *ONCE* for *ALL* your documents [2],
and if you want to change things, you only need one line.
C h a r l e s P e y t o n T a y l o r
ctaylor@nps.navy.mil
The opinions and views expressed ## even though we're on our
own,
are my own and do not reflect ## we are never all
alone,
Those of the Naval PostGraduate School ## when we are singing,
singing.
http://www.nps.navy.mil/personal/charles.taylor/
[1] I thought this would be a good place to mention
<fn> (footnotes).
[2] you do have to add the link in the <head> of each
document, but thats a simple cut-and-paste.
Received on Wednesday, 3 April 1996 18:15:09 UTC