- From: <louis.theran@nokia.com>
- Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 20:34:19 -0600
- To: www-html-editor@w3.org
- Cc: Ora.Lassila@nokia.com, hubbard@w3.org
XHTML Basic last call comments Abstract XHTML Basic is intended to be the minimal subset of XHTML that will be used as the basis for a number of new markup languages in the XHTML family that will cater to the needs of small devices. This paper represents Nokia's comments on XHTML Basic for last call. General comments After much thought, Nokia cannot support the current XHTML-Basic proposal. We agree with the proposition that subsets or profiles of XHTML--defining minimum sets of supported functionality for broad classes of devices--would be extremely useful. However, we do not believe that a single common profile for all device classes can be usefully specified. Inevitably it will exclude some feature that turns out to be essential for some class of devices. For example, we believe that events are essential for phone class devices. However, we would not argue that events should be included in a single minimal subset, since there are almost certainly other device classes for which events are not an essential feature. We see no point in agreeing on a single, static, common subset when this subset is sure to be broken for some class of devices. Instead, if we agree that subsets or profiles are needed for broad classes of devices, then we should be working towards a standard mechanism to specify such profiles. We understand the argument for a single, lowest-common-denominator, markup: theoretically, this would allow content developers to create content that could be rendered on any device with at least minimum usability. This is a very attractive proposition. However, we don't believe there is any factual evidence that such a set can be created, nor is there any practical experience on which we can base discussions about what such a subset would contain. Remember, the XHTML specification was the result of a vast amount of distilled experience with real content on the Web. The XHTML Basic specification is, in contrast, simply an a priori postulation of what a common subset would look like. Almost none of the discussion is based on practical experience of using such a subset to create useful content for real devices. That XHTML Basic fails to explicitly note that decreasing the number of elements can simplify the markup without simplifying the rendering semantics that user agents need to support is a symptom of this. We include a number of examples of issues with the XHTML Basic specification that we believe support our view, but we emphasize that these examples are not intended to suggest changes to XHTML Basic. Rather, we view the following examples as evidence that any attempt to produce a single core subset of XHTML will fail to address the needs of a large number of device classes. Examples Event handling XHTML Basic intentionally excludes any sort of support for events or event handlers with the comment that a generic event mechanism would be more appropriate. While we agree with this assertion, we believe that any markup language with no event support will be poorly received by content providers working with handsets, since many of the common navigation idioms are implemented using internal events in WML (e.g., onenterforward, ontimer). Similarly, there may be need for browsers running on a handset to handle externally generated events, such as push or incoming calls. Any markup language used in this space will need to have the correct event handling hooks. Script As with events, script support is needed in a markup language that will be used on mobile phones. User agents on mobile phones are expected to integrate cleanly with the phone environment, which means that they will handle push events, support telephony interfaces and be capable of interacting with specialized hardware on the phone. The natural way to accomplish many of these tasks is through script. Scripting languages allow the developer to gracefully handle errors that may occur using event processing, while markup-only interfaces do not. We don't see arguments about the desirability of eliminating inline script sources to be germane, since XHTML Basic doesn't replace <script> with an alternative. Rendering To return to a point made in out general comments, XHTML Basic removes a large number of tags just to decrease markup complexity. We consider this misguided, since it decreases the amount of structural information available to the user agent without removing any rendering burden. Similarly, elements such as <b> can be ignored as easily as class attributes, so removing them doesn't really accomplish much.
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