- From: John Boyer <boyerj@ca.ibm.com>
- Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2007 16:44:14 -0700
- To: ebruchez@orbeon.com
- Cc: www-forms@w3.org, www-forms-request@w3.org
- Message-ID: <OFDB1591D4.80C49001-ON8825737D.00824282-8825737D.00827219@ca.ibm.com>
Yeah, but I read the minutes and I am also closely monitoring the action items people need to complete to get XForms 1.1 to CR. Obviously, I agree with the group's decision regarding the clarification. :-) John M. Boyer, Ph.D. STSM: Lotus Forms Architect and Researcher Chair, W3C Forms Working Group Workplace, Portal and Collaboration Software IBM Victoria Software Lab E-Mail: boyerj@ca.ibm.com Blog: http://www.ibm.com/developerworks/blogs/page/JohnBoyer Erik Bruchez <ebruchez@orbeon.com> Sent by: www-forms-request@w3.org 10/23/2007 04:24 PM Please respond to ebruchez@orbeon.com To www-forms@w3.org cc Subject Re: xforms:copy binding query All, We had a related discussion during one of the last Forms WG calls (John, in case this doesn't ring a bell, this was the rare meeting which you did not attend). This discussion was not directly related to xforms:copy but to xforms:select with xforms:value. Here are the relevant issues for XForms 1.1: http://tinyurl.com/2bgvot http://tinyurl.com/2bf4zv What we decided during that call was that: 1. xforms:select should be non-destructive 2. xforms:select should show an out-of-bound condition I think that the same behavior should apply to xforms:copy. If so, and if I understand your initial issue well, what you want to do should be possible if/once implementations follow this non-destructive logic. -Erik Robert Walpole wrote: > Hi John, > > Thanks for your reply. To avoid any further confusion I will stick to > the real world example of what I am trying to do. > > Basically, I have a target XML node which is a <metadata/> element. On > my form I want to have 2 select controls. One with accessibility options > and one with clientgroup options. Each of these controls is populated > with a different itemset. When the user selects options from the > controls I want the selected items to be placed in the same metadata > target node. > > In other words, if the user selects 2 options from the accessibiliy list > and 2 options from the clientgroup list I want the resulting XML to look > like something like this. > > <metadata> > <accessibility>1</accessibility> > <accessibility>2</accessibility> > <clientgroup>a</clientgroup> > <clientgroup>b</clientgroup> > </metadata> > > Previously I have attempted to handle this using xforms:select1 within > an xforms:repeat and an associated trigger to add additional form > controls and therefore multiple elements of the same name. However the > more complex the data model the more cumbersome this becomes and so I am > trying to use xforms:copy as a more elegant solution. The problem I am > having with this is that the bindings to the target node appear to be > mutually exclusive and in the implementation I am using (Chiba) I am > physically unable to select items from both lists. I can select multiple > items in one list and then as soon as I start selecting items in the > second list the items in the first list are deselected and do not show > in the submitted data. > > I am not sure what you mean by an "out of range event". I assume that > this is something handled by the implementation? In any event a > colleague of mine has added the xforms:copy functionality to Chiba so it > is possible we may be able to modify the behaviour, if appropriate. > > It may be that the only answer is to change my model so that each select > control has a different target node. The problem with this is that I am > working with a existing dataset and this kind of restructuring is not > desirable. > > Thanks again. > Rob Walpole > Devon Portal Developer > Email robert.walpole@devon.gov.uk > Web http://www.devonline.gov.uk > > > -----Original Message----- > From: John Boyer [mailto:boyerj@ca.ibm.com] > Sent: 23 October 2007 15:31 > To: Robert Walpole > Cc: Aaron Reed; www-forms@w3.org; www-forms-request@w3.org > Subject: RE: xforms:copy binding query > > > > Hi Robert, > > It's not clear enough from your first message what you are actually > trying to do. This latest post involving use of insert surely seems to > be going in the wrong direction, though, as the point of copy is that > you don't need generalized insertion capabilities. > > I understood that you wanted two different controls to be able to > contribute to a test data result. > > OK, so that means the ref of the two controls points at the same node > "/test/data" > > But what is the itemset nodeset supposed to point at in the two > different controls? > > Are you thinking to have the two itemsets be different? > > If so, I think it is only slightly problematic. However, it should be > possible to make it work, and in particular to do so without use of > insert, but there will be a minor hiccup in the fact that each of the > select controls will receive out of range error events for the subtrees > placed in "/test/data" that do not correspond to items in the union of > the item sets but not the complement of their intersection. > > In other words, if you have an item generated by control S1 but not S2, > and you select that item, the subtree will be copied into the node > referenced by S1, but S2 should then receive an out of range event > because it has no item to match that copied node. But this is a > notification event, which could be ignored or cancelled. > > Finally, perhaps let us know what you really want to do at a higher > level, since a solution other than having two selects with non-identical > item sets might present itself. But if it is exactly what you need, it > should in principle work, modulo the out of range notifications. > > Cheers, > John M. Boyer, Ph.D. > STSM: Lotus Forms Architect and Researcher > Chair, W3C Forms Working Group > Workplace, Portal and Collaboration Software > IBM Victoria Software Lab > E-Mail: boyerj@ca.ibm.com > > Blog: http://www.ibm.com/developerworks/blogs/page/JohnBoyer > > > > > "Robert Walpole" <robert.walpole@devon.gov.uk> > Sent by: www-forms-request@w3.org > 10/23/2007 04:01 AM To"Aaron Reed" <aaronr@us.ibm.com>, <www-forms@w3.org> > cc > SubjectRE: xforms:copy binding query > > > > > > > > Hi Aaron, > > Thanks for your reply. I understand what you are saying about the > bindings although this does seem a bit of a limitation. > > I am interested in your suggestion of using the xforms-select event but > I am struggling to see how this would work. > > At present I am just trying to get it to work with one select control > and I have something like the following: > > <xforms:model> > <xforms:instance> > <communitygroup> > <data/> > <metadata/> > </communitygroup> > </xforms:instance> > <xforms:bind id="data" nodeset="/communitygroup/data"/> > <xforms:bind id="metadata" nodeset="/communitygroup/metadata"/> > <xforms:instance id="accessibility-instance" > src="accessibility.xml"/> > </xforms:model> > > <xforms:select bind="data"> > <xforms:label>Metadata</xforms:label> > <xforms:itemset > nodeset="instance('accessibility-instance')/accesstype"> > <xforms:label ref="accessterm"/> > <xforms:copy ref="accessibility"/> > <xforms:action ev:event="xforms-select"> > <xforms:insert bind="metadata" at="last()" > position="after"/> > <xforms:setvalue ref="."/> > </xforms:action> > </xforms:itemset> > </xforms:select> > > However this produces some pretty mangled results and I'm not at all > sure what the bindings should really look like in this case. > > Any pointers you (or anyone else) can offer would be much appreciated. > > P.S. accessibility.xml attached in case required. > > Many Thanks > Rob Walpole > Devon Portal Developer > Email robert.walpole@devon.gov.uk > Web http://www.devonline.gov.uk > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: www-forms-request@w3.org > > [mailto:www-forms-request@w3.org] On Behalf Of Aaron Reed > > Sent: 19 October 2007 21:53 > > To: www-forms@w3.org > > Subject: Re: xforms:copy binding query > > > > > > > > Hi Rob, > > > > You can certainly bind two selects/select1s to the same node, > > but when > > you select items in a select/select1, it will replace the values > > underneath it. The only way you could mix and mingle them > > are if both > > selects had the same items and you use ctrl+<click> when > > selecting items > > (assuming your process uses a html:select type of control) but then > > there isn't much reason to have both. You could always try > > to manage it > > yourself with binding the two selects to different nodes and then > > handling the xforms-select and xforms-deselect events and > > inserting/deleting the nodes under the 'real' target node yourself. > > > > --Aaron > > > > Robert Walpole wrote: > > > Hi, > > > > > > I am seeking some clarification about how the XForms copy element > > > (http://www.w3.org/TR/2007/WD-xforms11-20070222/#ui-adv-copy) should > > > work. > > > > > > My question is whether it should be possible to use xforms:copy on > > > different xforms:select controls to copy different element > > nodes into > > > the same target node? > > > > > > For example, say I want to have 2 select controls that use use > > > xforms:copy to populate the data node in the following... > > > > > > <test> > > > <data/> > > > </test> > > > > > > In this case I would bind both of my select controls to the > > data nodeset > > > and by selecting two values from both controls I would hope to get > > > something like the following result... > > > > > > <test> > > > <data> > > > <abc>123</abc> > > > <abc>456</abc> > > > <def>321</def> > > > <def>654</def> > > > </data> > > > </test> > > > > > > Is this allowable? It may be that I cannot bind two > > different controls > > > to the same target node. Any clarification of this would be much > > > appreciated. > > > > > > Many Thanks > > > Rob Walpole > > > Devon Portal Developer > > > Email robert.walpole@devon.gov.uk > > > Web http://www.devonline.gov.uk > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- Orbeon Forms - Web Forms for the Enterprise Done the Right Way http://www.orbeon.com/
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