- From: Erik Bruchez <ebruchez@orbeon.com>
- Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2006 15:22:17 +0100
- CC: www-forms@w3.org
Jason, > really? > I haven't checked the detail of the new insert attributes - are you > seriously saying that you cannot use a bind as an origin or context? The @origin and @context attributes are XPath expressions. > If thats the case then its just another nail in the whole bind > coffin I think - w3c folk - What is the point of creating binds if > you cant use them anywhere? XForms uses different attribute names to refer to binds (@bind) vs. XPath expressions (@ref, @nodeset, @context, @origin). From that you can infer that @context and @origin must support either XPath, or bind ids. Currently, it's the former. What you would probably want is something like @context-bind and @origin-bind, but these attributes are currently not defined in XForms 1.1. This is good feedback for the working group though: I am not sure whether we have considered using binds for the functionality or @context or @origin so far. > please consider this when designing this stuff because xforms is > threatening to become a nightmare of xpath to manage. Well, that's a open debate. You want to use binds everywhere, but I usually don't use them much. So I for one don't have any problem at all writing: @origin="instance('my-template')" That's simple and clear enough for me (but that's just me). > Just think how painful it would be to add/remove/change any data > structure in any big complex array of forms if they are just > completely littered with xpath. That's probably subjective. Someone could argue that you are littering your form with binds ;-) Binds add an additional indirection, which has benefits but also drawbacks - like the fact that you add to the existing XPath "space" a new space of bind ids. (Digression: This reminds me of things like Java ant files: people always tend to write things like: <property name="war.lib" value="${war.inf}/lib"/> Somebody could argue that sure, that's a valuable indirection, just in case someday you want to change where the WAR lib directory is, or where the WEB-INF directory is. The truth is that you are never going to move it, and that the indirection is fairly pointless: you will be as clear writing WEB-INF/lib instead of ${war.inf}/lib. This not to say that binds are useless, but that they may, in some circumstances, be just pointless indirections. End of philosophical digression.) -Erik -- Orbeon Forms - XForms Everywhere http://www.orbeon.com/blog/
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