- From: Chris Lilley <chris@w3.org>
- Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2010 03:15:37 +0200
- To: www-font@w3.org
Hello www-font,
http://www.w3.org/2010/08/18-webfonts-minutes.html
WebFonts WG f2f, Los Angeles
17 Aug 2010
Attendees
Present
Vlad, Chris, JDaggett, Sylvain, Christopher, John, Lurence,
Dave, Adam, Sergei, Julio, Tab, Tal, Erik
Regrets
Chair
Vlad
Scribe
crossland
Contents
* [2]Topics
* [3]Summary of Action Items
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cslye: what if you have something a font manager can use, but not a
UA?
jdaggett: we're concerned about conformant UAs
cslye: we have this block specified, and as soon as anyone uses it,
it out of spec
jdaggett: right, its not for UAs to use, its for font vendor to
fingerprint
in
Julio: it should be changed, ye
... the language should be changed in S7P1
eriK: can the update notidication be done by file date and name in
the metadata?
John: its the update url?
crossland: yes
<TabAtkins_> ACTION: jdaggett to Tighten the description of the
private data block. [recorded in
[4]http://www.w3.org/2010/08/18-webfonts-minutes.html#action01]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-25 - Tighten the description of the
private data block. [on John Daggett - due 2010-08-25].
ChrisL: <license url=""> is not THE LICENSE
cslye: the advantageof WOFF could attach the actualy license ot the
font
ChrisL: <license> is thelicense of the WOFF, not the font
John: its a license for web use
... the font might have a license that says you can link on the web
in secondarily licensed domains.
... the WOFF says what those domains are
... you dont want to write the font metadata each time you make a
woff, you want on TTF and when you woff it apply metadata simpley
Vlad: when you have 2 documents that claim to be a license, the
least restrictive one is what is enforcable, so you dont want
anything that can be interpreted as a second license
cslye: you dont want ot say this is for the license of font
John: so do we want ot be clear its a license for the woff file?
cslye: no, some foundries may want to use it in a specific way for
the contianed font, and others will want something else
adam: i see WOFF as a ZIP archive; we are making a packaging
convention...
John: i prefer "license summary" as "license" implies a legal
agreement
erik: what if your license is 2 lines?
adam: "licensing information"
... that could be full license, summary, url...
cslye: if adobe decides its risky to use it, we wont use it
John: in the spec we should not call it a license, "licensing
information" is generic and covers an actual license and anything
else
cslye: good topic for the panel
Vlad: 1 hour left
<Adam> Section 6, license block: change "The license for the font."
to "The licensing information for the font."
action chrisl to Section 6, license block: change "The license for
the font." to "The licensing information for the font."
<trackbot> Created ACTION-26 - Section 6, license block: change "The
license for the font." to "The licensing information for the font."
[on Chris Lilley - due 2010-08-25].
<ChrisL> ACTION: chris to write up a test suite plan [recorded in
[5]http://www.w3.org/2010/08/18-webfonts-minutes.html#action02]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-27 - Write up a test suite plan [on Chris
Lilley - due 2010-08-25].
Vlad: TPAC, CSS is obvious group, also SVG and XSL
jdaggett: what topics are?
... that determines how long we need
Vlad: topics is after checking for need to discuss
ChrisL: yes, need to ask if they willuse woff and to what extent
jdaggett: by november we hsould have a test suite so everyone in the
room can look at the tests
... everyone of us
... it would be better to ask svg who will need to use woff to
participate in our meeting at tpuc
ChrisL: people in this gruop could do ueful review of css3-fonts,
similarly the other way
Adam: new q: could i change which font is used via js?
cslye: yes, like typekit's js loader doe
Adam: in FontLab 6 i'd like to have a feature for live preview in
HTML
... without reloading the whole page
<ChrisL> XSL FO is meeting thu/fri
<ChrisL> [6]http://www.w3.org/2010/11/TPAC/
[6] http://www.w3.org/2010/11/TPAC/
Vlad: last item is implementation review
ChrisL: i asked adam if FL will support WOFF soon
Adam: certainly
Vlad: reference implementation?
ChrisL: status of woff at opera isnt yet clear
<erik>
[7]http://www.flickr.com/photos/letterror/4890870343/in/set-72157624
711809860/
[7] http://www.flickr.com/photos/letterror/4890870343/in/set-72157624711809860/
jdaggett: when the test suite is ready, we'll need a table of who
passes what tests
ChrisL: and maintain it
... and once there are 2 green bars, we can move forward
Lorp: do any clauses prohibit usage on non-web platforms - like
ebooks - where they pacakge text+woff
jdaggett: why do this?
... ah, download with a book
erik: woff compressino may be nicer than a raw font?
Lorp: licening might be related for web and ebooks
Vlad: epub can include fonts
Adam: adobe has a dont obfuscation technique like PDF-XML
cslye: i didnt know about that until this year, its old
si daniel: iTunes Album Format might bundle fonts
si daniels: if it uses @font-face doesn't mean font licensing for
the web will cover such usage
<Vlad> Acknoledgements
ChrisL: ebook vendors have approached w3c
<Vlad> The WebFonts WG would like to thank Typecon organizers and
SoTA for accommodating the attendees of the WG F2F meeting and
providing meeting facilities, and would like to thank Adobe Systems
and Christopher Slye for providing video projector for our use
during the meeting.
jdaggett: comment on css3-font; we dont support TTC, and their
typical uses are tricky and dont apply to web fonts context
... any ideas?
Adam: with css font stacking you can do the same thing
... you can slice your fonts into groups that way
... typical ttc allows many kanji and half width or full width or
mono latin
... you can just do this with a css font stack
cslye: yes, but will composite fonts become more widely used and
think they cant use it as is on the web, and will THEY think to use
a cs font stack? or will they want omtehing more convenient?
John: WOFF is a container, having made some TTC i know they are a
cmoplicated way to get a small space saving...
Adam: css is a composite format mechanism; unicode ranges, a way of
pulling it all together
John: you coul dhave a composite font format with WOFF payloads
Vlad: WOFF2 could accomodate composite fonts
John: composite fonts is just XML wrapping around fonts
Adam: you can have it as one piece of woff data, like the metadata
block, and then chunk ALL the tables together
... the CWOFF
Vlad: if you have text in arabic and latin, you want to keep uing
the numerals defined in the arabic font
John: european punctuation is used all over the world
... chars in the devanagri block are meant to be used in other indic
script
s
Adam: common locale directory; exemplar section of unicode.org
<John> Big thanks to Dave and Tab for scribing.
Summary of Action Items
[NEW] ACTION: chris to write up a test suite plan [recorded in
[8]http://www.w3.org/2010/08/18-webfonts-minutes.html#action02]
[NEW] ACTION: jdaggett to Tighten the description of the private
data block. [recorded in
[9]http://www.w3.org/2010/08/18-webfonts-minutes.html#action01]
[End of minutes]
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Chris Lilley Technical Director, Interaction Domain
W3C Graphics Activity Lead, Fonts Activity Lead
Co-Chair, W3C Hypertext CG
Member, CSS, WebFonts, SVG Working Groups
Received on Wednesday, 18 August 2010 01:15:42 UTC