- From: Rob Koenen <rkoenen@intertrust.com>
- Date: Wed, 2 May 2001 12:32:07 -0700
- To: "'Rigo Wenning'" <rigo@w3.org>, DRM-Public-List <www-drm@w3.org>
- Cc: Daniel Weitzner <djweitzner@w3.org>
Rigo, all,
Thanks for publishing the report. Although I have some comments,
I think it reflects a good job in accurately conveying what was
discussed over the twoworkshop days.
The one thing that is really missing in my view (and I am echoing
Norman's comments) is the summary that we did in the end. I really
think that list belongs in this summary, with appropriate
qualifications (it was the result of a braindump after two days
of intensive discussions).
Please add that summary.
Then, I am anxious to learn about W3C's next steps.
Detailed comments follow below.
> W3C will now take these recommendations and discuss it
> internally before making any formal decisions.
Any view on the time schedule for this?
> There were a considerable amount of voices requiring, that a
> system should work offline as online.
This is not a "should", this is the very definition of DRM:
persistent governance.
> DRM should be about the
> "digital management of rights" not the "management of digital
> rights".
Was this the conclusion? We did discuss the 'digital mangement
of rights' versus the 'management of digital rights' yes.
>
> Privacy
> DRM is also processing personal information. It needs to
> treat consumer as a "first-class" object. That is, a
> consumer's profile have access usage conditions, and other
> (user-) rights linked to it.
Consumers need to be able to express and manage their rights
and interests, and DRM can help them do just that.
> To learn about DRM issues use "simulated interoperability".
No, this was postulated as a potential solution (though I do
not understand well how it can be)
> Architecture
> Interoperability is a key DRM requirement (see discussion below)
> A digital Rights Language is seen as a good first step for
> DRM standardisation (see discussion below).
"... a good first step for interoperability, but not nearly enough"
> Security
> DRM needs a Trust Infrastructure (see discussion below).
Yes, true, but the real issue was that *Standardized*
DRM needs a Standardized Trust Infrastructure, which makes it
such a challenge.
> Multimedia
> MPEG is addressing DRM needs and should work closely with W3C.
Good header :-)
But the statement strikes me as funny. "MPEG should work closely
with W3C"? This can be read in a number of ways. "W3C should work
closely with MPEG" is something I have heard as well. Please make
this comclusion more balanced, so that it doesn't (unintentionally)
sound like a requirement on MPEG alone.
> Identifiers
> The identification of content is a critical requirement for
[...]
> Currently there is no single system that can provide all
> needed features for all sectors.
(Note that MPEG has begun to address this issue in the
Digital Item Idnetification and Description)
> DRM Interoperability
> It is clear that a shared architectural model or abstract
> framework is required, if only for people to fully understand
> the depth and breadth of the rights management arena. A
> number of position papers explored this in depth; they
> considered a layered, abstract model that consisting of
> policy expression, transmission, interpretation/enforcement,
> and thus introduced "multiple" levels of well-defined
> interoperability.
But we did not agree on a framework. We just know it has
many layers.
> MPEG's presentation of their MPEG-21 "Digital Item
> Declaration Model" proposal suggests another pathway to
> interoperability, which is consistent a call for a
word missing ("with") ?
> higher-level framework. It is important for W3C to be engaged
> in that activity, while working toward a framework context.
Note that the Declaration work in itself is not about DRM.
MPEG-21 *is* though.
> Trust Infrastructure
> To summarize a few concerns about Trust infrastructures from
> the Workshop:
>
> What will "it" look like?
> Who should manage trust?
> How will trust be "interoperable?
> What are the social/legal issues (eg liability)?
> How to deal with trusted components (hardware/software)?
> Most participants believe that not only must there be a trust
> infrastructure upon which applications (commerce and
> otherwise) will be built; they imagine that there will
> actually be several, providing different value-added trust
> services. The trust concerns expressed tended to be more
> practical - for example, who will run these authoritative
> trust services? Private companies? Governments? Industry
> organizations (.g publishers associations, authors' collectives, etc)?
> If there are multiple, parallel trust infrastructures, who
> will create and manage the "directories" that will enable
> interoperation? Or will these "trust backbones" take a form
> where this is unnecessary - where the semantics of the
> certifications are obvious? Regardless of how it is built,
> there is concern over liability - who is liable for a failed
> "chain of trust?"
Good points, well captured.
Also, note that trust isn't automatically transitive or even
reflexive.
> [...] Trust-structures
> are actually such a big task, that they should be considered
> outside a DRM-Activity.
Said who? I think (said) no DRM standardization will work without
regard for this issue.
> MPEG-4: IPMP (Intellectual Property Management and Protection)
> MPEG-7 Multimedia Description Schemes
MPEG-7 MDS is only one of several MPEG-7 parts, and there
are DRM implications also at MPEG-7's Systems layer.
> MPEG-21 Digital Item Identification and Description
MPEG-21 DIID is only one of several MPEG-21 parts. Notably,
the Rights Language and Data Dictionary will be imortant too.
> *suggests* a piece of the solution. For example, MPEG-4 IPMP
> may come close to standardizing DRM APIs, but doesn't treat
> many other aspects of the problem (such as rights
> vocabularies, rights messaging, etc).
True about MPEG-4, much less true when taking into account
the complete set of MPEG activities, designed to complement
each other.
(Rights messaging *is* actually addressed in MPEG-4 IPMP now)
> Next Steps
> There were opinions voicing, that the W3C is the best
> existing forum to define a forward-looking Framework. There
> was also concern that this may not be as clear to the broader
> W3C. Rights management presents a broad set of problems. ,
> and a "Web-is-Everything and Everything-is-the-Web" view, if
> present, would surely generate conflicts in process and
> politics. Note that the same could be said of MPEG processes
> and politics (for example);
I am unclear as to what "the same" exactly refers to.
MPEG has cetainly recognized that the MPEG-21 vision goes beyond
MPEG alone.
> The specialized WG's - possibly just one, but surely several
(a somewhat contradictory statement)
> - would address individual missing pieces, such as a rights
> expression language - while some will see this as essentially
> a set of rights primitives with agreed-upon semantics (eg a
> rights data dictionary mapped onto an XML Schema), others
> will see this as including object definitions. Both
> interpretations are correct, but at different levels.
I thnk this is taking one specific element and putting it sort
of down as the conclusion of the workshop - see my first comment
above.
Best Regards to all who made it to the end of this mail,
Rob
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