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Re: New DOM event types

From: Doug Schepers <schepers@w3.org>
Date: Fri, 02 Apr 2010 15:38:45 -0400
Message-ID: <4BB647C5.7060804@w3.org>
To: João Eiras <joaoe@opera.com>
CC: "www-dom@w3.org" <www-dom@w3.org>
Hi, João-

Like others, I agree that these are interesting events to look at, and 
should be examined in the light of other high-level events, like those 
to be defined in the upcoming DOM Events spec dealing with gestures. 
DOM3 Events is pretty much feature-complete at this point, but let's tag 
these events for possible inclusion in Alternate Input Device Events (or 
whatever that spec ends up being called).

-Doug Schepers
W3C Team Contact, SVG and WebApps WGs

João Eiras wrote (on 3/16/10 8:46 PM):
> Hi gentlemen.
> We at Opera have had some demands to find ways that will allow a webpage
> to control zooming or panning/scrolling, specially on mobiles. The typical
> use case are map applications on devices, where the user double taps or
> drags the viewport around to zoom and pan, although the map should have
> the chance to detect these events and apply them on the map instead.
> Dragging overlaid objects in the page is also another use case.
> Subject of work, the DOM 3 Level Events spec
> http://www.w3.org/TR/DOM-Level-3-Events/
> http://dev.w3.org/2006/webapi/DOM-Level-3-Events/html/DOM3-Events.html
> First case: scrolling.
> The specification already specifies the 'scroll' event, which is not
> synchronized with the scrolling action, and not cancelable, being
> therefore only useful as a notification. We need a type of scroll event
> which would be synchronized with the scrolling action, and if prevented
> would prevent the scrolling entirely. The event can be called
> 'beforescroll'. The scroll event needs both a deltaX and deltaY with the
> amount of pixels by with he user agent will scroll as consequence of
> diagonal scroll/pan. Unfortunately, .detail is not enough.
> So, to summarize:
> - new event type 'beforescroll', fired before any scrolling action,
> cancelable
> - probably a new interface derived from Event, which has the deltaX and
> deltaY, like ScrollEvent, or extending that information in UIEvent
> Second case: zooming
> There are no references to zooming or zoom events in the specification,
> but there is a magnify event on the developer working draft. Ideally, we
> should have both a 'beforemagnify' event, like 'beforescroll', cancelable
> and synchronized with the zooming action, and an 'aftermagnify', not
> cancelable, and not synchronized with the zooming action. Given that
> zooming is a viewport action, UIEvent.detail should be good enough to give
> the *new* zoom level that the user agent will apply to the viewport. The
> detail property would contain an integer with the zoom level in
> percentage, meaning 100 would be the default zoom level. However, it would
> be useful to have the *current* zoom level available in a global property,
> like window.zoomLevel, but that is out of scope of this specification.
> Handling the target would be similar to the scroll event. In case the
> zooming action is performed by a pointing device on top of an element,
> like mousewheel when scrolling, the target of the event is the element
> beneath the pointing device. Typical examples: pinching on a touch screen,
> double tapping on devices, ctrl+mousewheel on desktop computer. If the
> zoom action is triggered by other means, and therefore is not "caught"
> by the element beneath the pointing device, then the target is the
> document.
> To summarize:
> - new event type 'beforemagnify', fired before any scrolling action,
> cancelable
> - new event type 'magnify', fired after any scrolling action, not
> cancelable, doesn't bubble. (It's in the WD)
> - UIEvent.detail has the new zoom level applied o the viewport
> - Event.target set to element below cursor, or document if a pointing
> device was not used
> Whether beforescroll and beforemagnify buble or not is debatable.
> Typically, non-cancelable events aren't while cancelable ones are. I
> don't have very strong feelings about this one.
> Problem: what happens if a script triggers scrolling, like changing
> styles which cause a scrollable container to scroll, assigning
> location.hash to a new fragment identifier, or assigning scrollTop on a
> scrollable container? Possible answer: the beforescroll and before
> magnify events should only be fired in response to user input, and not
> scripting. The scripts themselves can know if the page is going to
> scroll in advance and make all proper provisions. User input includes
> dragging scrollbars, PgUp, PgDown, arrow keys (mobiles and pcs), spatial
> navigation, finger swiping, clicking link with fragment identifier, etc...
> Theoretical problem: the synchronous cancelable events can introduce
> scrolling, or zooming lag. Unfortunately, this is by design as the
> scripting environment *needs* to invoke all listeners. To minimize this
> problem, the events don't bubble (naturally), and there are the events
> that fire *after* the action, just in case the webpage only needs a
> notification.
> People usually confuse low level mouse events with these actions. Zooming
> and scrolling are high level UI actions, which can be triggered in many
> other means than just the mouse. Please do not confuse them.
> Whether you consider giving the webpage control over these events an
> annoyance or not, that is a user agent usability problem. Ask for a
> configuration option from your favorite vendor :)
> Thoughts ?
> Thank you o/
Received on Friday, 2 April 2010 19:38:47 UTC

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