- From: Doug Schepers <schepers@w3.org>
- Date: Wed, 24 Jun 2009 18:02:53 -0400
- To: www-dom@w3.org
Hi, DOM3 Events fans-
The minutes for the DOM3 Events telcon of 24 June 2009 can be found here:
http://www.w3.org/2009/06/24-webapps-minutes.html
Or as text below:
[1]W3C
[1] http://www.w3.org/
- DRAFT -
Web Applications Working Group Teleconference
24 Jun 2009
See also: [2]IRC log
[2] http://www.w3.org/2009/06/24-webapps-irc
Attendees
Present
Shepazu, dand, MSjacob, smaug
Regrets
Chair
SV_MEETING_CHAIR
Scribe
Travis
Contents
* [3]Topics
1. [4]IME events from DOM Mailing list
2. [5]Method for asking the UA for what keys have been pressed
down.
* [6]Summary of Action Items
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<trackbot> Date: 24 June 2009
<dand> hey guys
<shepazu> hi, dand
<dand> how's it going
<dand> is there a www-dom telecon now? or next week?
<shepazu> the chair forgot to send out the agenda, so I'm not sure
who's going to show
<dand> no probs
<dand> should i dial in? or hang out here and wait first
<shepazu> I'm on the line, but if we don't have a few other people
show up in the next 10 minutes, we should postpone until next week
<dand> ok
<shepazu> well, if you can call in, I can bring you up to speed
<shepazu> trackbot, code?
<trackbot> Sorry, shepazu, I don't understand 'trackbot, code?'.
Please refer to [7]http://www.w3.org/2005/06/tracker/irc for help
[7] http://www.w3.org/2005/06/tracker/irc
<dand> can't hear you guys too great
<shepazu>
[8]http://dev.w3.org/2006/webapi/DOM-Level-3-Events/proposals/
[8] http://dev.w3.org/2006/webapi/DOM-Level-3-Events/proposals/
Short telecon today
shepazu: Recap: goal of the different key event flows is to find a
harmoneous graph that best for user agents.
<shepazu> Travis: scribenick
<shepazu> scribenick: Travis
shepazu: Not likely to spec (solve) the IME model.
... Planning to publish the different models as appendices to the
spec.
... Key models missing the mutation event points (where they fire)
or where the DOM is modified (in user agents without mutation
events)
... Still need to hear from WebKit.
dand: I think Webkit's model is probably pretty close to Trident's
... I have some people that I could contact.
<dand> yep
IME events from DOM Mailing list
shepazu: Some disccusion on the mailing list regarding IME.
Travis: two problems that they wanted to solve.
... the composition box appears in random places and can occude
important web page elements (like search suggestions)
... other is that all user agents should implement compositionstart
and compositionend events. Though, I'm not sure why?
dand: Not necessarily that those physical events are important, but
that they do what you need...
... only get fired for IME inputs (don't necessarily have to do with
key events).
... In IE you don't get notified of some events...
... using voice or other you may get spotty notification.
... Firefox's compositionstart event allows you to change the DOM
and place the cursor in a new location, then the actual input will
occur in the new location.
... nice to grap input and contain it to a particular place in the
DOM.
... In general, knowing when the composition finishes is useful
because you can respond to user activity when the fully composed
string.
<shepazu>
[9]http://dev.w3.org/2006/webapi/DOM-Level-3-Events/html/DOM3-Events
.html#events-Events-TextEvent
[9]
http://dev.w3.org/2006/webapi/DOM-Level-3-Events/html/DOM3-Events.html#events-Events-TextEvent
Travis: Does the textInput event handle these use cases...?
dand: compositionend could be like textInput, but the
compositionstart event is still important.
<dand> [10]http://www.danilatos.com/event-test/ExperimentTest.html
[10] http://www.danilatos.com/event-test/ExperimentTest.html
shepazu: textInput does not say where the textInput came from. Maybe
it could (IME, key, voice, etc.)?
... (random idea) for positioning of the IME candidate window, we
could possibly put an X/Y event for where the IME window came up...
dand: Hmm, maybe this could get more complicated...
shepazu: We'll see if implementors want to do that. Don't want to
jump into UI necessarily..
<shepazu>
[11]http://lists.whatwg.org/pipermail/whatwg-whatwg.org/2009-June/02
0553.html
[11]
http://lists.whatwg.org/pipermail/whatwg-whatwg.org/2009-June/020553.html
dand: TSS is the API for IME. Browsers may not support these fully,
and could through complications into the mix.
<dand> TSF
dand: IMM32 (old one), TSF (new one), others for mac/linux
<smaug> ( [12]https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=88831 )
[12] https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=88831
Travis: I don't think we should go down the road of trying to spec
all of the details of what an IME event model could look like
dand: seems very complicated to purse that and we lack
implementation experience.
shepazu: OK. Sounds good. We should spec a minimum of
compositionstart/end for IME because that's what browsers have
chosen to do.
Method for asking the UA for what keys have been pressed down.
shepazu: We talked about this last week, and several folks throught
there was utility there.
... That's about it for that topic :)
... dand can you see about connected us with the WebKit guy for
compositionstart/end events?
<shepazu> trackbot, end telcon
Summary of Action Items
[End of minutes]
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