Fwd: draft-ecahc-moderation-00

Hi!

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From: Rob Sayre <sayrer@gmail.com>
Date: Fri, Jul 7, 2023 at 3:12 PM
Subject: draft-ecahc-moderation-00
To: Lars Eggert <lars@eggert.org>, alissa@cooperw.in <alissa@cooperw.in>,
Brian E Carpenter <brian.e.carpenter@gmail.com>, Jari Arkko <
jari.arkko@piuha.net>, Russ Housley <housley@vigilsec.com>, GENDISPATCH
List <gendispatch@ietf.org>


Hi,

> This moderator team is modeled after, and subsumes,
> the moderator team for the IETF
> discussion list [RFC9245].

This model doesn't work. Look at the IETF Discuss archive from this
month: https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/browse/static/ietf/2023-07/

Without disparaging any individual, or the efforts of the moderators,
there doesn't seem to be a productive discussion.

In my opinion, this organization mostly gets into arguments around
encryption and encoding.

Is it disruptive to wade into a WG chartered to encrypt DNS and
say "what about the regulators? What about my middlebox
business?" ...yes, it is.

Is it disruptive to continually insist that JSON is well-formed
Unicode? ...yes, it is. I wish it were the case, but it's not.

So, here you have a document that does deal with people that are kind
of write-only, but does not deal with unrealistic bozos.

They are the real problem, and people often don't react well to them
(impolite responses, etc). You can then police the responses, but I'm
not sure that's going to make progress.

thanks,
Rob