- From: James Craig <jcraig@apple.com>
- Date: Sat, 01 Feb 2014 14:06:18 -0800
- To: Leif Halvard Silli <xn--mlform-iua@xn--mlform-iua.no>
- Cc: www-archive@w3.org
Hi Leif, You wrote: > Please don’t misrepresent me and have a discussion based on that. I’m not trying to misrepresent you. I said you “may” be misunderstanding because you seemed to imply the presentation role was equivalent to flattening the contents. I proceeded to explain what I thought you were saying versus what I understood about the situation. If I’ve caused you some offense, I assure you it was unintentional. >> This is described in the ARIA spec, and I expected that you expected that I knew this. I’m glad to know you read that part of the spec. I try not to assume anyone has read it, so my re-stating it in the context of this discussion was not at all intended as a slight against you. I’m a little confused as to why you want a www-archive record of an otherwise offlist comment. Let’s go back to the list discussion. Cheers, James On Feb 1, 2014, at 1:55 PM, Leif Halvard Silli <xn--mlform-iua@xn--mlform-iua.no> wrote: > Www-archive@ > > James, I described what flattening means to authors. Definitely it > means to flatten styles and structure. The same goes for > role=presentation. The fact that there are there rules for what > elements it flattens (namely, it is not so simple that being a child > element causes it to be flattened), does not change that. > > Please don’t misrepresent me and have a discussion based on that. > > Leif H Silli > > Leif Halvard Silli, Sat, 1 Feb 2014 21:54:48 +0100: >> >>>> And for headings, it flattens hierarchic text to just (plain) text. >>>> >>>> Flat/Flattened is known from many fields as a name for simplification >>>> processes were the result is that the basic content is kept while the >>>> styling and/or structure is lost. Flat/Flattened thus tells authors >>>> that *not everything* is lost, something which could help them >>>> understand that the result of flattening an img is different from the >>>> result of flattening a heading - and also help them understand how >>>> flatten differs from hiding. Also, for flat/flattens, chances are that >>>> authors understand that it is not necessary to apply it to elements >>>> that are already flat, such as <span> or <img> with empty alt=“". >>> >>> You may be misunderstanding the presentation role, too. It does not >>> flatten the contents. >> >> Sorry, but I tried to keep it short. For <table>, it flattens the >> elements that the table is made up of. Same goes for lists and other >> constructs. This is described in the ARIA spec, and I expected that you >> expected that I knew this. Thus I am aware that a child <strong> >> element inside <h2 role="presentation"> is not flattened - it retains >> its semantics.
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