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Fwd: Screen Orientation Feedback

From: Arthur Barstow <art.barstow@gmail.com>
Date: Thu, 07 Aug 2014 08:17:00 -0400
Message-ID: <53E36E3C.7000606@gmail.com>
To: Giridhar Mandyam <mandyam@quicinc.com>, Dominique Hazael-Massieux <dom@w3.org>, Jinsong Wang <wjs@w3.org>
CC: Xiaoqian Cindy Wu <xiaoqian@w3.org>, Yves Lafon <ylafon@w3.org>, Philippe Le Hegaret <plh@w3.org>, Jonas Sicking <sicking@mozilla.com>, Mounir Lamouri <mounir@lamouri.fr>, Marcos Caceres <w3c@marcosc.com>, "www-archive@w3.org" <www-archive@w3.org>
Hi All,

Below (also at [1]), Jonas indicates there is a "procedural issue" 
vis--vis WebApps' Screen-Orientation spec and the Device Orientation 
(DO) spec. I believe an open question is about the status of the later.

Would someone please take a look at Jonas' e-mail and let us know the 
status and plans for the DO spec?

[BTW, when you reply, please feel free to replace www-archive with 

-Thanks, Art


-------- Original Message --------
Subject: 	Screen Orientation Feedback
Resent-Date: 	Tue, 05 Aug 2014 21:15:11 +0000
Resent-From: 	public-webapps@w3.org
Date: 	Tue, 5 Aug 2014 14:14:10 -0700
From: 	Jonas Sicking <jonas@sicking.cc>
To: 	Webapps WG <public-webapps@w3.org>

Hi All,

I think the current interaction between the screen orientation and
device orientation specs is really unfortunate.

Any time that you use the device orientation in order to render
something on screen, you have to do non-obvious math in order to get
coordinates which are usable. Same thing if you want to use the device
orientation events as input for objects which are rendered on screen.

I would argue that these are the by far most common use cases for

I agree that the main problem here is that the deviceorientation spec
defined that their events should be relative to the device rather than
to the screen. However we can still fix the problem by simply adding

partial interface DeviceOrientationEvent
   readonly attribute double? screenAlpha;
   readonly attribute double? screenBeta;
   readonly attribute double? screenGamma;

No new events needs to be defined.

I guess we can argue that this should be added to the
DeviceOrientation spec, but that seems unlikely to happen in practice
anytime soon. I think we would do developers a disservice by blaming
procedural issues rather than trying to solve the problem.

I think mozilla would be happy to implement such an addition to the
DeviceOrientation event (I'm currently checking to make sure). Are
there other UAs that have opinions (positive or negative) to such an

/ Jonas
Received on Thursday, 7 August 2014 12:17:29 UTC

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