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Re: An HTML language specification

From: Karl Dubost <karl+w3c@la-grange.net>
Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2009 00:16:05 -0500
Cc: Mark Baker <distobj@acm.org>, www-archive@w3.org
Message-Id: <B2188E16-9C04-4945-BCD7-E7E3A286EFD4@la-grange.net>
To: Ian Hickson <ian@hixie.ch>

Le 18 févr. 2009 à 20:25, Ian Hickson a écrit :
> On Tue, 25 Nov 2008, Mark Baker wrote:
>> I know, but neither a "Document" nor an infoset are relevant to the
>> definition of a markup language. Both can be used after the document
>> has been parsed and interpreted, but neither need be referenced  
>> prior to
>> that point.
>
> I don't really understand in what sense there is anything to talk  
> about
> before the document has been parsed and interpreted.

First it has to be written from nothing. It's why people are found of  
the notion of markup language. There is everything to say before the  
document has been parsed and interpreted.

> In what sense is there no DOM? The document is still a tree, it  
> still has
> elements, they still have attributes.

When people are writing documents, they are not writing a DOM. They  
just put text in between brackets.

> HTML is the music. The angle brackets and so forth are just one way to
> write the HTML down for interchange.

Ideas are the music.
Expressing the music can happen through an instrument, through a  
mechanical mathematical description, through a series of bit, through  
an abstract model.


>> Ok.  So can we get a DOM-independent definition of "browsing  
>> context"?
>> That would satisfy me, at least for that aspect of iframe's  
>> definition
>> (and any other element whose definition references browsing  
>> contexts).
>
> I don't know what you mean by "DOM-independent".

maybe like this:

<> <http://purl.org/dc/elements/1.1/title> "HTML 5".
<> <exterms:paragraph>  "The content of this document is also  
available as a single HTML file." .
…

or something like this

Title: HTML 5
Paragraph: The content of this document is also available as a single  
HTML file.

The thing is not because you write this text below, that you have a DOM.

<html>
    <title>HTML 5</title>
    <p>The content of this document is also available as a single HTML  
file.</p>
</html>




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Karl Dubost
Montréal, QC, Canada
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