- From: Steven Faulkner <faulkner.steve@gmail.com>
- Date: Sun, 16 Aug 2009 16:19:49 +0100
- To: Henri Sivonen <hsivonen@iki.fi>
- Cc: www-archive <www-archive@w3.org>
- Message-ID: <55687cf80908160819k2c482517u339b526f89d8beb7@mail.gmail.com>
hi henri, >I noticed that your question was addressed to Ian and CCed to public lists, but I'll go ahead and reply myself >anyway: it was addressed to ian "and other interested people", to ian in particular as he is the one who makes the decisions. regards steve 2009/8/16 Henri Sivonen <hsivonen@iki.fi> > On Aug 15, 2009, at 15:52, Steven Faulkner wrote: > > as part of my work on http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/actions/131, to >> progress towards consensus by the html wg on the contents of the html 5 >> specification in regards to text alternatives, it would be helpful to get >> feedback from you and other interested people on the 'WAI CG Consensus >> Resolutions on Text alternatives in HTML 5' documenthttp:// >> www.w3.org/2009/06/Text-Alternatives-in-HTML5 >> > > > I noticed that your question was addressed to Ian and CCed to public lists, > but I'll go ahead and reply myself anyway: > > I previously asked for clarifications on the WAI CG consensus: > http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/wai-xtech/2009Jul/0057.html > > However, I didn't get further replies after: > http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/wai-xtech/2009Jul/0087.html > > Therefore, I'd like to reiterate the following point: > > I think it doesn't make sense to evaluate the statement of consensus in > isolation of knowing what ATAG 2.0 or its accompanying documents are going > to recommend to developers of HTML5 editors. > > I think the following procedure should be followed: > > 1) Find out how browser/AT combinations behave given various combinations > of <img>, alt, lack of alt, empty alt, aria-label, title, aria-describedby, > etc. > > 2) Given the existing client behaviors discovered at step #1, develop > authoring tool guidance for different scenarios of the authoring tool user > being cooperative and uncooperative. In particular, develop guidance on what > markup and authoring tool must emit when the user doesn't provide text > alternatives (for whatever reason). > > 3) Adjust the HTML 5 specification so that following the guidance > developed in step #2 doesn't render the output document of the editor > invalid, because it would be non-sensical for one spec to tell authoring > tool developers "do X" and another to tell "don't do X" and making some > syntax invalid would make some tool vendors avoid the syntax even if doing > so lead to a worse outcome considering step #1. (Note that defining a markup > construct as invalid by definition means that authoring tools must not emit > that markup construct.) > > 4) Adjust validators to comply with the result of step #3, so that output > from tools complying with guidance from step #2 isn't reported as invalid. > > 5) Provide optional diagnostic help for validator users who wish to > evaluate text alternatives or lack thereof in a way that doesn't motivate > authoring tool vendors to fail to comply with the guidance from step #2. > (Consider the Image Report feature of Validator.nu.) > > As far as I can tell, the WAI Consensus jumps to step #3 leaving step #2 > unclear. > > -- > Henri Sivonen > hsivonen@iki.fi > http://hsivonen.iki.fi/ > > > -- with regards Steve Faulkner Technical Director - TPG Europe Director - Web Accessibility Tools Consortium www.paciellogroup.com | www.wat-c.org Web Accessibility Toolbar - http://www.paciellogroup.com/resources/wat-ie-about.html
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