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Re: 2nd Call: Full Potential: Who's counting?

From: Doug Schepers <schepers@w3.org>
Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2008 12:45:23 -0400
Message-ID: <48860EA3.4040500@w3.org>
To: www-archive <www-archive@w3.org>

Hi, Jonathan-

Jonathan Chetwynd wrote (on 7/22/08 11:20 AM):
> did you intend a personal reply to be copied to www-archive?

Yes.  I didn't mean "personal" in the sense of "private", but in the 
sense of "not an official response from W3C".

I'll note that you did not refute or address any of my comments, nor did 
you apologize for your slander.

> do you deny that you told me on irc, iirc, that I would not be welcome 
> at Cannes, and that the SVGWG would not have time to discuss issues I 
> might wish to raise.

Just to set the record straight:
* The SVG WG had a face-to-face meeting planned for May 19-23 in Sophia 
Antipolis (near Cannes)
* On May 11, with no previous discussion, request, or mention of any 
kind, you told me on IRC that you might travel to Cannes to meet us
* Rather surprised, I replied, "not to be rude, but the SVG F2F is not 
necessarily open to non-WG members... the evenings after would be fine, 
but we have a very busy agenda we're pursuing this time, not the least 
of which is figuring out how the SVG IG is to take form" (from my 
personal IRC logs)

So, yes, I do deny that I told you you would "not be welcome at Cannes". 
  In fact, I have been extremely accommodating to your issues, well past 
the point where most people would have written you off as a troll.

Further, I've asked if you would be available to attend an impromptu SVG 
IG meeting around the time of the SVG Open conference in Nuremburg, but 
you declined.

Jonathan, WG F2F meetings are rather costly; our participants fly in, 
incur costs for lodgings, food, and ground transportation, and lose time 
from developing products or doing other activities.  But it is worth it 
because the bandwidth and productivity of these meetings is so high.  We 
set a strict agenda weeks or months ahead of time to maximize what we 
accomplish for this expense.  These are not imaginary cost to W3C 
Members, Team, and Invited Experts.  We settle all the issues we can via 
email, IRC, or telcons, and save the thorny stuff for F2F meetings.

Frankly, it is disrespectful to the participants of the SVG WG (or of 
any group) to expect us to drop all that to satisfy your whim.  If you 
spend some time and energy making a coherent and focused presentation or 
concrete proposal for us to consider, then we will treat it with due 
gravity and try our best to address your use case.  But accusatory pot 
shots are counterproductive.

Every minute W3C spends debunking empty claims is another minute we have 
not spent actually addressing real issues.  I suppose I shouldn't have 
even bothered replying to you.

Again, I suggest you watch this video to learn how you can effectively 
participate in standards:

-Doug Schepers
W3C Team Contact, WebApps, SVG, and CDF
Received on Tuesday, 22 July 2008 16:46:09 UTC

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