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On the fostering of immaturity and derision

From: Steven Faulkner <faulkner.steve@gmail.com>
Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2007 09:09:11 +0100
Message-ID: <55687cf80709260109s74f29bacw81affd91cae14789@mail.gmail.com>
To: "Ian Hickson" <ian@hixie.ch>
Cc: www-archive <www-archive@w3.org>, list@html4all.org, "Dan Connolly" <connolly@w3.org>
Hi Ian and others.

Glad you find the whole idea of html4all so hilarious and good fodder for
public ridicule.
One of the issues I have a problem with is, that you have in the past and
continue to be two faced. In some communications you are friendly and open
minded and professional in others,  you are derisive and dismissive of any
points of view that don't fit your view of how things should be. I don't
think that in your role as editor of HTML 5 you should be acting as you do.
You foster immature conduct amongst the working group and do a discredit to
your role in doing so.

I find it interesting that you guys find pleasure in reading and
lampooning posts on the html4all list, and at the same time besmirch people
who read the IRC logs. I read them frequently as i find them sometimes
informative and sometimes sad due to the juvenile attitude of the

I have been trying to open up the lines of communication with people such as
Lachlan and Anne in an effort to overcome the divide, but it is difficult to
keep an open mind when the public utterances of people in your camp continue
to be so divisive.

To clear things up for you guys.
Yes we have and have had from the start a list that is private for
administrative and internal matters relating to html4all.
Just as the W3C has members only lists that I cannot access, but some people


><gsnedders> Philip`: especially as it allows us to be quoted without
context while quoting a whole response

Note that I was quoted out of context a few lines before, and used as fodder
for another statement about having no understanding of the point, so use of
the IRC to quote people out of context works both ways gsnedders.

an interesting exchange from the IRC (
http://krijnhoetmer.nl/irc-logs/whatwg/20070926) below:
00:05] <Philip`>
http://html4all.org/pipermail/list_html4all.org/2007-September/000416.html -
"Moved to the public list" - aha, it does sound like they have a new private
list for the cabal
# <http://krijnhoetmer.nl/irc-logs/whatwg/20070926#l-7> [00:05] <Hixie>
# <http://krijnhoetmer.nl/irc-logs/whatwg/20070926#l-8> [00:05] <Hixie> i
totally missed that
# <http://krijnhoetmer.nl/irc-logs/whatwg/20070926#l-9> [00:05] <Hixie>
that's awesome
# <http://krijnhoetmer.nl/irc-logs/whatwg/20070926#l-12> [00:12] <gsnedders>
# <http://krijnhoetmer.nl/irc-logs/whatwg/20070926#l-13> [00:14] <Philip`> I
guess they worked out how to turn on the non-public flag this time
# <http://krijnhoetmer.nl/irc-logs/whatwg/20070926#l-14> [00:15] <tndH> i
read that as "Moved [from private email]", but i guess i'm not paraniod
# <http://krijnhoetmer.nl/irc-logs/whatwg/20070926#l-15> [00:15] <Philip`>
(Note to whoever's reading logs: I think the old public archives mentioned
the list admin password at some point - you should probably make sure it's
been changed)
# <http://krijnhoetmer.nl/irc-logs/whatwg/20070926#l-16> [00:16] <Philip`>
((This is a much easier way of communicating than email))
# <http://krijnhoetmer.nl/irc-logs/whatwg/20070926#l-17> [00:17] * Parts:
webben (n=benh@dip5-fw.corp.ukl.yahoo.com)
# <http://krijnhoetmer.nl/irc-logs/whatwg/20070926#l-18> [00:18] <gsnedders>
Philip`: especially as it allows us to be quoted without context while
quoting a whole response
# <http://krijnhoetmer.nl/irc-logs/whatwg/20070926#l-19> [00:18] <Dashiva>
Hi mom!
# <http://krijnhoetmer.nl/irc-logs/whatwg/20070926#l-20> [00:18] * Dashiva
# <http://krijnhoetmer.nl/irc-logs/whatwg/20070926#l-21> [00:18] * gsnedders
realises what Dashiva is on about
# <http://krijnhoetmer.nl/irc-logs/whatwg/20070926#l-22> [00:20] <Dashiva>
Hoo boy: "why not develop a validator that looks for and fails the page if
it has bogus alt? using heauristics, that shouldn't be so hard should it?"
# <http://krijnhoetmer.nl/irc-logs/whatwg/20070926#l-23> [00:21] <Hixie> it
baffles me how much they can miss the point
with regards

Steve Faulkner
Technical Director - TPG Europe
Director - Web Accessibility Tools Consortium

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Received on Wednesday, 26 September 2007 08:09:20 UTC

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