- From: Jeremy Carroll <jjc@hplb.hpl.hp.com>
- Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2005 11:49:06 +0100
- To: "www-archive@w3.org" <www-archive@w3.org>, "Deborah Cawkwell" <deborah.cawkwell@bbc.co.uk>
Dear Deborah as agreed, this is a public record of the idea concerning Web shopping that you told me about yesterday. Problem addressed ================= When buying presents for someone, particularly for some occassion such as a birthday or a wedding, sometimes the most appropriate presents cost more than any one person wishes to pay. Also, someone who doesn't wish to spend very much, may buy an item that because it is relatively cheap, is not really what the recipient wanted. This idea is to use Web technology to allow people to club together to buy a gift, even people who do not know one another, or do not speak often. State of Art ============ As far as we know, the current state of the art, is that some Web shopping sites support the concept of a wish-list. A wish-list, like a traditional wedding list, allows a potential recipient of gifts to identify things that they would like. A gift giver, can then select one of the items on the wish-list and buy it, and have it sent to the recipient (or possibly sent to the buyer, to give in person to the recipient). In the buying process, the buyer gives payment details, such as credit card or PayPal details, that allows the vendor to receive payment. New idea ======== With this idea, the giver does not have to pay the full price of the selected item. Instead, the wish-list shows both the price of the gift, and the amount already promised towards paying for the gift. The giver can then promise an additional amount towards the selected gift. This is added to the promised amount. If this amount is sufficient to take the total promised by all givers, then the item is purchased, using a method similar to those described below. The purchased item is then sent to the recipient. In addition to the purchased item, there may be a card or letter identifying the givers. This list of givers may or may not be ordered by some criteria, e.g. the person who paid most towards the gift may (or may not) be listed first. Payment method ============== The method of payment may (or may not) be different from the current methods used for payment at internet sites. Here are four methods, others may be possible: Payment Method 1: This is the most similar to current methods. The vendor receives payment from the giver immediately, using credit card payment or PayPal or similar. At a later date, if the gift item has not been sent, the giver may have the opportunity to cancel their financial gift and receive a refund, or move the financial gift to be a payment towards another gift item, or receive credit in some other way. Payment Method 2: This is like payment method 1, in that payement details are taken at the time the giver decides to contribute towards the gift item, but payment is not taken immediately, but only after sufficient financial gifts have been promised, either before or after the gift item is sent. Payment Method 3: This is like payment method 2, except that the necessary funds are reseverd with the credit card companies, similar to the way that hotels can reserve payment on a booking, but the payment is actually deducted later. Payment Method 4: No payment, or payment details, are taken when gifts are promised, but instead some contact details of the giver are remembered by the Web Site. When sufficient funds have been promised, the Web site software sends e-mail to the various gives, or contacts them using some other means, in order to collect payment information as under method 1. Timeouts ======== The first three methods can be combined with a timeout, that if sufficient funds have not been promised within a certain time frame, such as three months, or before the event or occassion for which the wish-list was produced, then all funds paid are refunded, either directly to the accounts from which they were received or as credit in some other form. Alternative choices =================== In addition, these methods can be combined with the possibility of a giver selecting more than one gift, but giving or promising to give a sum to be used towards one or more of these gifts. In this case, when a gift item is sent out, and some or all of the money promised by a particular giver has been used towards it, then the amount promised towards the other gifts that they selected is reduced accordingly. Prioritization ============== This idea can be enhanced by allowing the recipient to prioritise the wish-list. This would allow a giver to either be informed by the priorities of the recipient, or simply to give an amount to be used on the most appropriate gift as selected by the system on the basis of the priorities. This could be done, for instance, at some predetermined date, e.g. three days before a wedding, when the amounts promised for indeterminate gifts, are added together and the highest priority gift(s) that can be afforded are selected, and payments are sorted out as before. When there is some left over amount, this could be refunded (as above) to one or more of the givers, for instance, divided in proportion to their finanical gifts, or all to the person who gave the most. Part Sets ========= When making a wedding list, a common behaviour is to divide some complex item, such as a dinner set, into its constituent parts, e.g. 6 dinner plates, 6 soup bowls, 6 side plates, a serving dish. This allows the givers to select some part of the dinner set that corresponds to their finanical means, e.g. one person may give the dinner plates, another the bowls, and a third the side plates along with the serving dish. This may sometimes go wrong, when only an incomplete part of the dinner set is purchased, leaving the recipient to have to to fill in the gaps. When combined with this idea the dinner set can be seen as set 4 places settings plus zero or more additional place settings plus zero or more accessory items. As finanical givers choose to contribute, the system can determine what can be afforded and the recipient then can receive a complete dinner service which meets some minimum threshold (e.g. 4 place settings and no accessories, up to some maximum, e.g. 8 place settings, two serving dishes and a gravy boat). Mutually Exclusive Alternatives =============================== A similar aspect may be when the recipient wants a gift of some type, and would ideally like an expensive version, but would be satisfied with a cheaper version. For example, a child may want a toy train set. Ideally they would like a train set design A, which is quite expensive, but would be satisified with set C which is not so good, and there is also set B that is 'better' than C and 'not as good' as A (where the comparisons are being made by the recipient), and C is cheaper than B, which is cheaper than A. This too could be expressed on their wish list, a giver can then give towards the train set item, and when the timeout is reached, the gift C, B or A can be selected depending on how much funds have been given. In particular, this allows a giver to know that they have given enough for the recipient to recieve a train set, without exluding the possibility of the final gift being a better train set than the one that they can afford. I hope this adequately summarises the idea, and provides enough information to allow a full implementation. Jeremy
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