- From: Eric Miller <em@w3.org>
- Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2005 17:55:30 -0500
- To: Karl Dubost <karl@w3.org>
- Cc: Stefano Mazzocchi <stefanom@mit.edu>, www-archive@w3.org
Thanks Karl! Very helpful feedback - much appreciated! :) --e On Nov 16, 2005, at 3:09 PM, Karl Dubost wrote: > Hi Eric, Hi Stefano, > > You have asked if I could give a try to Piggy Bank. So I will > describe the process of using it. I have assumed that I had no > knowledge of anything and then I have written my comments, my > impressions, my feelings. Don't take it bad. I really tried to know > anything. Some of my questions were really true questions I had. > > I hope it will help you. > > > > * I'm using Mac Os X 10.4.3 on a powerbook 12". > * I'm using Camino or Safari usually. > * I have always a bunch of applications running at the same (7 > right now) > > STARTING > > In Camino, I put the address > http://simile.mit.edu/piggy-bank/ > Cookies (grrr) ;) > > Good: Right away, the first page tell me What is "piggy bank". But > right away, it tells me I have to download Firefox. I know your > application is tied to the browser, that might make some people go > away. Does it work in Mozilla for exemple? > > Bad: > * the link to "Semantic Web" on W3C Home Page. The page there > has improved a lot but is still done for specialist. We lack at W3C > a page explaining very simply what the semantics Web is about. :) I > would be happy to work on that with Eric Miller and Ian Jacobs. > * What is a "Semantic Web Browser"? :) I'm not sure that people > really care. Maybe something a lot simpler as it helps you to grab > and collect data on the Web auto-magically. What is the purpose for > the user? Why it will help his/her life? > * Screenshots: Usually that's good to have screenshots, but > here there are out of context. :) You should put that on another > page give it the name: "Your 5 minutes introduction to Piggy Bank" > and shows the screenshot surrounded by a story. Or even make a > screencast. > http://weblog.infoworld.com/udell/gems/delicious.html > Example: 5 minutes of using delicious. > > Good: > * What can I do with this? :) But I guess should be part of the > introduction and the link to the screencast. > > Bad: > * The introduction has it is done now is a bit dry and you see > a lot of text and you want to run away ;) Too much work for my > brain to start. :) > > Good: > * The examples in the intro are interesting, but replace > Scenario 1, etc. by a catch phrase. Something like, just > suggestions, you will have certainly better titles than mine. > Scenario 1 -> "Find and locate a place for lunch" > Scenario 2 -> "Find a good place for your new apartment" > Scenario 3 -> "Sort out information the way you want" > > Bad: > * At the end of the introduction or in the first page, You > should propose "How to start". I haven't found what should I do > step by step. > 1. Download Firefox (if you do not have it) > 2. Click on the Get Piggy Bank button. > > The only way to know it for now is to click on the get piggy bank. > > /PAUSE: Download Firefox. BACK with it/ > > I click on get piggy bank. A message for my security. I have to > allow simile.mit.edu. :) It's something to explain in the how to > install. So "allow" and close this window. > Click again on Get PiggyBank. > PiggyBank.xpi is showing in a window with a red "Unsigned"… Red for > the user means bad. Should you signed it. :) > > Click Install Now. > > ok. Done. Going to the "Now What?" because I still don't know what > to do. :) > How do I customize my toolbar? hmmm, another missing instruction. > > Go to View -> Toolbars -> Customize… > > hmmm… I went there and I haven't seen little pig. Does that mean > something failed? Or should I restart? (missing instruction) I will > restart to try. > > Oh Sweet. I restart, I thought my browser was frozen (say to people > there might be a little delay). And I have a screen with Piggy Bank. > > Enter your email address. :) I have to enter one. which one my > personal or my professional. Ok let's try with the professional one. > > Hmm URI I need an API key. I go to Google. Cut and past the > 127.0.0.1 URI as given… and I end up on Google Accounts. > > What does that mean? Is it ok? > Do I need a Google Account? But I don't want a Google Account. > > Ok I'll skip this feature in Piggy Bank and will not benefit of > Maps. (Maybe a system of Maps online with less tracking of personal > and private data would be good). > > The yellow box is good to give you a warning that it will take time. > > Ok cool I have been able to put the pig in the toolbar. :) > Great. :) Let's start. > > I'm going to the screen scrapers site as said. But what is a screen > scraper? > "Screen scrapers are pieces of code that can extract “pure” > data from web pages." > Oooh you mean "Screen scrapers are tools which helps piggy bank > to understand and collect data in the page you are browsing" ;) > > > http://simile.mit.edu/bank/bank?command=browse&-=% > 40lwq.project.PropertyProjector%3Bhttp%3A%2F%2Fwww.w3.org%2F1999% > 2F02%2F22-rdf-syntax-ns%23type%3B%40lwq.bucket.DistinctValueBucketer > %3Brhttp%3A%2F%2Fsimile.mit.edu%2F2005%2F04%2Fpiggy-bank% > 23XSLTScreenScraper%2Crhttp%3A%2F%2Fsimile.mit.edu%2F2005%2F04% > 2Fpiggy-bank%23JavascriptScreenScraper& > > > Ouch :) This page is not usable. :) Specifically for a beginner. > What I'm supposed to do here. I don't know at all. :) Going back. > > The second link is not helpful either. I'm going back again. Hmmm > there's a screenshot saying that I should click on the RDF icon at > the bottom right. Ok I will give a try again with the first and > the second link. > > First link, I have clicked. Something has happened but I don't know > what has happened. Is it ok? > > When I have clicked the second link I don't have any RDF icon. Is > it because I have done the first one? Is it because there's nothing > to do on this page? > I don't know. > > "Save the screen scrapers you like (by clicking the Save button for > each of those screen scrapers)" > > Oh an instruction which comes too late. Trying again. > Ok I see the save. Maybe a screenshot of the save button. > > You know I save all these screen scrapers, but I don't know their > goals. There's no description of them. and there are bizarre labels > with an arrow. Too much complicated. I don't know what that means. > > I just want a button with, for example: > > "Keep memories of the book you have read with Amazon." > "Description: blablabla" > "Save" > > or > > "Tools to grab calendar information contained in pages" > "Description: blablabla" > "Save" > > :))) > > > What the hell is "CSAIL Directory Scraper" and why it's interesting > for me? > On the first list there was no "Save" Button > > OK going back to the list "Now What" > > > Yoohoo Finally "Try it out for real". It took me almost 45 minutes > to get there. > > Ahaha! Titles which seems more interesting. Toronto.com, Monster, > etc. But still a UI which doesn't quite make it. I don't want to > see the pipes ;) I just want the meaningful content under my eyes. > > ok done all the "Save", even Toronto.com… Oh geez I'm not living in > Toronto but it could be fun, I don't know. I'm just a dumb user. > > I go to Monster.com > > I type in Keywords: [ RDF ] > > oops nothing happened. Going back the page "now what" > > "You should see the data coin icon at the right side of the status > bar. Click on it." > > hmmmm… Trying again. Nothing on the right side of the status bar. > Nothing at all. > I have verified again my scraper for monster.com is saved. Nothing > has happened. > > Ahhh… What should I do? > End of experiment? > > I don't know what to do next. :) > > End of experiment for now. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > Karl Dubost - http://www.w3.org/People/karl/ > W3C Conformance Manager > *** Be Strict To Be Cool *** > > >
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