- From: <jos.deroo@agfa.com>
 - Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2005 02:35:47 +0100
 - To: connolly@w3.org
 - Cc: "Eric Prud'hommeaux" <eric@w3.org>, Pat Hayes <phayes@ihmc.us>, www-archive@w3.org
 
Dan, it worries me very much and I'm pretty convinced
that such operators are not needed at all to do SW which
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is about marking data so that computers are also able to
process it and test relationships between different datasets
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-- 
Jos De Roo, AGFA http://www.agfa.com/w3c/jdroo/
Dan Connolly <connolly@w3.org>
04/02/2005 01:39
 
        To:     Pat Hayes <phayes@ihmc.us>
        cc:     www-archive@w3.org, "Eric Prud'hommeaux" <eric@w3.org>, Jos 
De_Roo/AMDUS/MOR/Agfa-NV/BE/BAYER@AGFA
        Subject:        worries about useMentionOp and how queries relate to rules and  proofs
Pat,
I can't quite put my finger on it, but I'm afraid there are
some serious architectural use/mention issues with operators like
BOUND, URI-equal, isURI, and isBlank
  http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/DataAccess/issues#useMentionOp
As I see the architecture, a query plays the role of
a conjecture to be proved. A query solution is a sketch
of a proof.
If I write
 SELECT ?who
 WHERE ?who foaf:name "Dan Connolly"
it's akin to asking a theorem prover to prove:
  exists (x) such that foaf:name(x, "Dan Connolly")
The solution "?who binds to <danshomePage#topic>"
is a sketch of a proof (I think the literature
uses the term "witness" for this sort of thing).
Now I can't imagine how to turn
 SELECT ?who
 WHERE ?who foaf:homePage ?x
   AND isURI(?x)
into a conjecture to be proved by a theorem prover.
isURI() is not a function of objects in the
domain of discourse, but an operator that distinguishes
one sort of term from another. We might have
                 <dansHomePage#topic> owl:sameAs _:somebody .
and by definition
                 isURI(<dansHomePage#topic>)
but not
                 isURI(_:somebody)
This sets off flags in my mind, but I can't state,
in black-and-white, testable ways that matter to
applications and coders, why it matters.
Does it worry you?
p.s. formally this is a WG issue
  http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/DataAccess/issues#useMentionOp
In Helsinki, we has some relevant discussion and made
a nearby decision, but it wasn't explicitly a decision
to close this issue.
  RESOLVED: BOUND keyword and no UNSAID to address common
  UNSAID issues. KendallC abstaining
  http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/DataAccess/ftf4.html#item04
I'm trying to figure out whether to open substantive discussion
of this useMentionOp issue or just say "oh... yeah, we meant to close
that one too, didn't we?"
-- 
Dan Connolly, W3C http://www.w3.org/People/Connolly/
D3C2 887B 0F92 6005 C541  0875 0F91 96DE 6E52 C29E
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