- From: Nick Gibbins <nmg@ecs.soton.ac.uk>
- Date: Sat, 22 May 2004 18:08:16 +0100
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- Cc: patrizia.andronico@iit.cnr.it, p.barna@tue.nl, himself@brycebenton.us, karl@w3.org, timothy@immuexa.com, nmg@ecs.soton.ac.uk, handschuh@aifb.uni-karlsruhe.de, swh@ecs.soton.ac.uk, hendler@cs.umd.edu, rlee@apotex.com, libby.miller@bristol.ac.uk
Photography markup Developers Day session at WWW2004 NYC, 2004-05-22 Chair: Greg Elin Participants: Patrizia Andronico <patrizia.andronico@iit.cnr.it> Peter Barna <p.barna@tue.nl> Bryce Benton <himself@brycebenton.us> Karl Dubost <karl@w3.org> Timothy Falconer <timothy@immuexa.com> Nick Gibbins <nmg@ecs.soton.ac.uk> Siegfried Handschuh <handschuh@aifb.uni-karlsruhe.de> Steve Harris <swh@ecs.soton.ac.uk> Jim Hendler <hendler@cs.umd.edu> Richard Lee <rlee@apotex.com> Libby Miller <libby.miller@bristol.ac.uk> Mor Naarman ----- Introduction Greg Elin - digital photography has outgrown conventional photgraphy - pixel manipulation mature compared to 'story manipulation' - non-pictorial information space - infrastructure mature (image formats, wireless networking, affordable digital cameras, blogs, etc) - camera phone as key platform Some examples: - w3photo.org - semantic web technology-based - harlem.org - archive of portrais of jazz musicians - uses photo annotations as tour of information space ----- Image Annotation as a Semantic Web Application Libby Miller <libby.miller@bristol.ac.uk> Where it started... - depiction as specific type of image annotation - grown from FOAF work - person or thing is depicted in a photo - creates links between thingsa which are depicted by the same images - (shows codepiction path application - URL?) - not just depiction, also identification - SVG outlines to identify image regions - depiction of things other than people (WOrdNet terms) - SWAD-E workshop in june 2002 (URL?) create a new vocabulary for image description - draws on existing work - mixes existing vocabularies - community effort RDF vocabularies used: - Creative Commons - image and metadata licensing - licensing critical to reuse - some modification of existing vocabulary (date of birth not used) - Dublin Core - bibliographic metadata - textual description of image (dc:description) - Annotea - annotation vocabulary - linking RDF annotation to the annotated image, some biblio metadata - Image regions - rectilinear regions, region depiction - Conference ontology - conference as epicted event, links with iCal RDF vocabulary - FOAF - identifying people throughout Important/tricky areas - identification of people and events (which don't have URIs) by key properties - some others disagree ;) - expressing location is difficult, was left out (implicit location at conference) - annotation properties - merging graphs loses information (origins of annotations) - reuse vs. creation of vocabularies. OWL capabilities (class/property equivalence) difficult, most developers are only using RDF(S) tools - validation - required fields for descriptions - must have identifier for people - legal issues - some countries (France, eg) person owns photographs of them Demos: - masahido's annotator - http://www.kanzaki.com/docs/sw/img-annotator.html - libby's annotator - http://swordfish.rdfweb.org/discovery/2004/03/w3photo/annotate.html - lookups from text labels to resources ----- AKTive Photo Steve Harris <swh@ecs.soton.ac.uk> - explorer interface to phot0 annotations - photo.aktivespace.org - AKTive Spaces, from mc schraefel's mSpace work - previous Semantic Web application CS AKTive Space - cs.aktivespace.org - AKTive Photo code is available under GPL ----- Mor Naarman - twofold value of photo annotation - personal vs. social - social benefit through implicit sharing of information - geographical location used to share labels between annotations - different photos of same location may have similar labels - ranking for suitable labels - stanford campus experiment to gathr annotations (cameras and GPSs to visitors) - general terms more common, 'float up' - IDF for ranking terms ----- Further demonstrations and comments Greg Elin Ron and Taylor's Road Trip - rzweb.com/roadtrip/ - GPS-located images, along with TerraServer satellite imagery tiles Yafro - yafro.com - MoBlog site - example of threaded discussion attached to image of armed iraqis, taken by a soldier Flickr - flickr.com - flash application, simple photo sharing, connected chat The ESP Game - espgame.org - competitive photo labelling, scores for getting th same labels as other people -- Critical concepts for developers (greg's slides - didn't manage to capture all of this) why rectangular image regions (as opposed to SVG outlines)? - similarity with existing (rectangular) images Legal issues (scribe had difficulty getting all of this down) Greg Elin: is permission required for publishing annotated images? Jim Hendler: approval and notification is a barrier to scalability Karl Dubost: cultural issues - assumption that permission is not required is not universal Jim Hendler: default should be opt-in (on notification), not opt-out (or, opt-out on automatic permission) Tim Falconer: privacy issues involved Jim Hendler: predominant view (from survey?) is that most people are happy for photos to appear, but want the ability to remove those photos that they don't want ----- Tidepool Tim Falconer - image annotation for people that don't use folders in their email - no difficult semantic concepts - who/what/where/when - drag and drop of tags (annotations) from these four categories onto images - help users to handle complexity of tags (large numbers) - graph visualisation of tags? - (JH: Ben Schneiderman says his studies show that people don't like graph interfaces for large datasets) ----- Jim Hendler - presentation of SW information is as important as annotation - generic SW portals (mindswap.org) - domain-specific portals swint.mindswap.org ----- Summary of participants' interests - most participants were interested in photo annotation because a) it was a nifty SW application and b) it addressed a need - some extra points raised Steve Harris: two main barriers to entry: rdf model, and rdf syntax - need is for task-specific APIsfor generating rdf/xml Karl (dubost?): rdf should be invisible to users and developers Nick Gibbins: image annotations as requirement for ontology-based open hypermedia - navigable links between image regions based on SW relations and depicted things Libby Miller: real value from SVG1.2 (Dean jackson and Jim Ley) Bryce Benton: spectrum of access rights, from public to private batch processing would also be a benefit Mor Naarman: audio annotations (audio labels), storytelling (HP), geo/time reference annotations ----- The next step? - SWAD-E workshop (contact Libby ================================== This is the TEMPORARY discussion list for the W3 Semantic-Photo History Project. 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