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Re: [w3photo] To PopUp or Not to PopUp

From: Greg Elin <greg@fotonotes.net>
Date: Tue, 2 Mar 2004 14:17:14 -0500
Cc: semantic-photolist@unitboy.com
To: "Jim Ley" <jim@jibbering.com>
Message-Id: <36AABB08-6C7E-11D8-92B4-000393B64216@fotonotes.net>

Thanks, Jim.  Good arguments for not using pop-up, or if using 
preferences, make the default non-popups.

(In page DHTML popups...with interior layers?  You may overestimate my 
DHTML prowess...)

I'll put up a non-popup version and see how that works. I'll even try 
to get rid of the pop-up of the selected area. Could be interesting as 
it might create more space to enter information on the item. I'll play 
with it.

Greg


On Sunday, February 29, 2004, at 02:25  PM, Jim Ley wrote:

> "Greg Elin" <greg@fotonotes.net>
>> Ben and Bryce have raised the question regarding not using popups when
>> clicking on an image link from a thumbnail view.
>
> I would say doing anything but using popups would be essential, with 
> popups
> being near universally derided, and having significant accessibility 
> and
> usability problems (they work fine if you close the window each time
> perhaps, but if you don't and it's lost they're useless.)
>
> We've seen great DHTML from you Greg, so I know you can do it, why not 
> just
> have "in page popups" where the images are placed in the page via DHTML
> where supported (degrading to simple navigation, or similar if not.)
>
>> I lean toward 2) and 3).  Both Gallery and the photo history of SIGCHI
>> use popups to display the full photograph, which is what influenced my
>> original choice. I personally think it avoids having to reload a page
>> full of 50 or 100 thumbnails.
>
> Sure that's a good thing, except of course there are plenty of 
> solutions
> which do use popups and achieve the same.
>
>> But does the popup cause problems for accessibility? For tools we want
>> to try?
>
> Of course they do!  IE6 in XP service pack 2 coming out soon is 
> rumoured to
> contain a blocker, there's no point implementing something that people 
> will
> hate!  -  We also wouldn't recommend a user preference approach (on 
> page
> mechanism defaulting to off perhaps...) as chasing into the cookies 
> and p3p
> privacy policies necessary to do this with our mixed content pages (I'm
> assuming images may still be hosted elsewhere, or at least the service
> support such.)  Even without cookies are best avoided unnecessarily.
>
>> I do really want to keep the popup for annotating part of an image,
>> however. I have consistently found that feature elicits a smile and a
>> light-bulb as a different way to think of images.
>
> Or people never seeing it, I detest such a feature, (although I've not 
> seen
> it here, the Crewe-London train not currently having any wireless.) and
> can't see how a popup changes someones interaction with an image.
>
> Jim.
>

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