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RE: Capturing Noah's Goal - Framework Description for Nov 5

From: Williams, Stuart <skw@hplb.hpl.hp.com>
Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2001 17:35:25 -0000
Message-ID: <5E13A1874524D411A876006008CD059F19272D@0-mail-1.hpl.hp.com>
To: "'Henrik Frystyk Nielsen'" <henrikn@microsoft.com>, "Mountain, Highland M" <highland.m.mountain@intel.com>, "David Fallside (E-mail)" <fallside@us.ibm.com>
Cc: Oisin Hurley <ohurley@iona.com>, Hugo Haas <hugo@w3.org>, Glen Daniels <gdaniels@macromedia.com>, Chris.Ferris@sun.com, marc.hadley@sun.com, Mark Nottingham <mnot@akamai.com>, Noah Mendelsohn <Noah_Mendelsohn@lotus.com>, ylafon@w3.org, "Mark A. Jones (E-mail)" <jones@research.att.com>, www-archive@w3.org, "Williams, Stuart" <skw@hplb.hpl.hp.com>

The only place I can find the wording you refer to online is in a message
Glen sent to the WG just ahead of the September F2F [1].

I think that what happened was that this and [2] were merged on someone's PC
at the f2f, transferred to floppy and printed at the reception desk. I don't
think the merged version ever made it onto the Web. It's a pity this text
'fell-off-the-web' I like it too.


[2] http://www.w3.org/2000/xp/Group/1/08/31/

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Henrik Frystyk Nielsen [mailto:henrikn@microsoft.com]
> Sent: 03 November 2001 16:53
> To: Mountain, Highland M; David Fallside (E-mail)
> Cc: Oisin Hurley; Hugo Haas; Glen Daniels; Chris.Ferris@sun.com;
> marc.hadley@sun.com; Mark Nottingham; Noah Mendelsohn; ylafon@w3.org;
> Mark A. Jones (E-mail); www-archive@w3.org; Stuart' 'Williams (E-mail)
> Subject: RE: Capturing Noah's Goal - Framework Description for Nov 5
> I have some of the same concerns as Glen but taking a step back, I am
> somewhat confused as to how this text relates to the text that we
> presented at the f2f (included as I can't find it online anywhere,
> sorry):
> "SOAP provides a simple messaging framework with a core set of
> functionality. As part of communicating between SOAP nodes it may be
> necessary to introduce a variety of abstract features generally
> associated with the exchange of messages in a protocol environment.
> Although SOAP poses no constraints on the potential scope of such
> features, typical examples include "reliability", "security",
> "correlation", and "routing".
> In some cases, underlying protocols are equipped with native 
> mechanisms
> for providing certain features, in whole or in part (for example,
> message queueing systems typically provide a degree of reliability).
> The SOAP Transport Binding Framework provides some flexibility in the
> way that particular features can be expressed: Features can 
> be expressed
> entirely within the SOAP envelope (as blocks), outside the envelope
> (typically in a manner that is specific to the underlying 
> protocol), or
> as a combination of such expressions. It is up to the communicating
> nodes to decide how best to express particular features; often when a
> binding-level implementation for a particular feature is available,
> utilizing it when appropriate will provide for optimized processing."
> I apologize if I have missed something but I thought we had something
> resembling consensus on this but now I can't find this text in the
> current binding document anymore [1]?
> Henrik
> [1] http://www.w3.org/2000/xp/Group/1/10/19/Binding_Framework.html
> 	 -----Original Message-----
> 	From: 	Mountain, Highland M
> [mailto:highland.m.mountain@intel.com] 
> 	Sent:	Friday, November 02, 2001 14:24
> 	To:	David Fallside (E-mail)
> 	Cc:	'Oisin Hurley'; 'Hugo Haas'; 'Glen Daniels';
> 'Chris.Ferris@sun.com'; 'marc.hadley@sun.com'; 'Mark 
> Nottingham'; 'Noah
> Mendelsohn'; 'ylafon@w3.org'; 'Mark A. Jones (E-mail)';
> 'www-archive@w3.org'; Stuart' 'Williams (E-mail); Henrik 
> Frystyk Nielsen
> 	Subject:	 Capturing Noah's Goal - Framework Description
> for Nov 5
> 	Importance:	High
> 	David,
> 	FWIW, we have this text for Monday's meeting :  
> 	Any binding specification has a set of messaging requirements.
> Some of these requirements could be satisfied by the underlying
> protocol's native feature set.  Other requirements may need to be
> provided outside of the underlying protocol. The requirements not
> provided natively by the underlying protocol of choice will need to be
> expressed in the resulting binding specification.  These requirements
> will be expressed as features and associated properties.  SOAP nodes
> will have to determine which resident modules satisfy the features
> outside the scope of the underlying protocol, in order to be compliant
> with a given binding specification.  
> 	The last statement is where we need to arrive at a common
> understanding.  
> 	Talk to you Monday.
> 	Highland
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