- From: Charles McCathieNevile <chaals@opera.com>
- Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2006 02:00:07 +1200
- To: "Chris Beall" <Chris_Beall@prodigy.net>, "Amaya users" <www-amaya@w3.org>
On Sat, 11 Feb 2006 11:35:56 +1200, Chris Beall <Chris_Beall@prodigy.net> wrote: > that HTML should represent the semantics of a document, with CSS > representing presentational characteristics overlayed on those Structure, but yeah... > ... Most of Amaya seems to honor this separation, BUT > > On the toolbar of the Formatted view are three icons, each represented > by a single letter: ... > But the icons for these three functions are STYLED, thus: > E - Italic > S - Boldfaced > C - Monospaced (though it's hard to be sure with only one character...) > Moreover, the tooltip that appears when you hover over the "C" says > "Fixed font", clearly a styling characteristic. > > These are, indeed, the default stylings provided by many browsers. > > Using these stylings, however, encourages the user to link them in his or > her mind to the semantics, just the opposite of the stated W3C > philosophy. > > My preferred styling for <em> is (usually) text-decoration: underline, > and with no italics. As soon as I've placed that into my style sheet, > the icons no longer represent what will happen when I apply the 'E' icon > to a string. > [Yes, I verified that the icon does NOT change (no surprise) when such a > style sheet is loaded.] It would be interesting to use SVG for the icons - and thus indeed inherit the style from the stylesheet. Would this confuse or help users? > 2. Change the tooltip for the "C" icon from "Fixed font" to "Code". Yes, that would be good. > I'm REALLY reluctant to bring up such a seemingly insignificant point, > but I > have spent hours trying to explain to new (and some not-so-new) web site > developers that the semantic / styling distinction exists and why. A > tool > produced under W3C auspices that skirts that distinction will make this > all > the harder. Well, "trivial" points may not get dealt with as a very high priority, but it is useful in setting priorities to see what would be done tomorrow in an ideal world, rather than just removing things from the list :) cheers Chaals -- Charles McCathieNevile chaals@opera.com hablo español - je parle français - jeg lærer norsk Peek into the kitchen: http://snapshot.opera.com/
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