[AAPI] Minutes UIA TF Meeting Tuesday, 7 February 2017

Link: https://www.w3.org/2017/02/07-aapi-minutes.html

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   [1]W3C

      [1] http://www.w3.org/

   Accessible Rich Internet Applications Working Group Teleconference

07 Feb 2017

   See also: [2]IRC log

      [2] http://www.w3.org/2017/02/07-aapi-irc

Attendees

   Present
          Joanmarie_Diggs, Bryan_Garaventa, Joseph_Scheuhammer,
          Rich_Schwerdtfeger

   Regrets
   Chair
          Joseph_Scheuhammer

   Scribe
          joanie

Contents

     * [3]Topics
         1. [4](All) Specifying AAPI UIA interface in focus events
            table, and other mapping tables.
         2. [5](Joanie) AX API mapping issues and testing.
         3. [6]ACTION-1732 (Michael, Joseph) Add conformance
            section to the Core-AAM.
         4. [7]Triage issues/actions:
            https://www.w3.org/WAI/ARIA/track/products/23
     * [8]Summary of Action Items
     * [9]Summary of Resolutions
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   <clown> agenda: this

   <scribe> scribe: joanie

(All) Specifying AAPI UIA interface in focus events table, and other
mapping tables.

   JS: Rich wanted me to write Bogdan about adding more UIA
   interfaces.
   ... I sent the email yesterday. I've not yet heard back.
   ... But it's not been that long.
   ... I think the email went out on the public list.

   <clown>
   [10]https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-aria/2017Feb/00
   17.html

     [10] https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-aria/2017Feb/0017.html

   RS: You can poke Joanie or me if we need to follow up with him.

   JS: The URL above is for the email I sent.

(Joanie) AX API mapping issues and testing.

   JS: I have a feeling this item will come up every meeting.
   ... I just want a progress update.

   RS: I did put some test cases in so Joanie can test and propose
   patches for WebKitGtk along with Safari.

   JD: I was away and forgot to set up access to my Mac remotely.
   So I've not yet had time to work on that.

   RS: Joseph, have you put in any Core AAM testable statements
   yet?

   JS: I did add one for aria-describedby, but not under Core AAM.
   ... Should I have put it there?

   RS: Yes, because it's not new to ARIA; it's new to UIA.

   JS: I know have to do some AccName test cases too.
   ... While we're talking about this, I put in all the platforms.
   Do I need to?

   RS: Just for description? No, because it's specific to UIA.

   <clown>
   [11]https://www.w3.org/wiki/ARIA_1.1_Testable_Statements#aria-d
   escribedby

     [11]
https://www.w3.org/wiki/ARIA_1.1_Testable_Statements#aria-describedby

   JS: The URL for the example is above.

   RS: You only need to do that one for UIA.

   JS: So I can remove the other platforms?

   RS: Yes.
   ... How is Stefan doing with his test cases?

   JS: I've only got one notification, so I don't know if he's
   done a bunch at once or has more work to do.

ACTION-1732 (Michael, Joseph) Add conformance section to the
Core-AAM.

   <clown> action-1732?

   <trackbot> action-1732 -- Michael Cooper to Work on conformance
   section for mappings (note there is a section, but change
   id=conformance so respec picks up) -- due 2015-10-14 --
   PENDINGREVIEW

   <trackbot> [12]http://www.w3.org/WAI/ARIA/track/actions/1732

     [12] http://www.w3.org/WAI/ARIA/track/actions/1732

   JS: This is an old action assigned to Michael Cooper.
   ... I pinged him the other day.

   <clown> [13]https://github.com/w3c/aria/pull/522

     [13] https://github.com/w3c/aria/pull/522

   <clown>
   [14]https://rawgit.com/w3c/aria/ACTION-1732/core-aam/core-aam.h
   tml#conformance

     [14]
https://rawgit.com/w3c/aria/ACTION-1732/core-aam/core-aam.html#conformance

   JS: He did it immediately and provided the pull request at the
   above URL.
   ... He added the section at the URL above.
   ... It looks pretty boilerplate to me. So I'm ok with it.

   <clown>
   [15]https://rawgit.com/w3c/aria/ACTION-1732/core-aam/core-aam.h
   tml#features-deprecated-in-wai-aria

     [15]
https://rawgit.com/w3c/aria/ACTION-1732/core-aam/core-aam.html#features-deprecated-in-wai-aria

   JS: He also added the features-deprecated section (see above
   URL).
   ... That's fine.
   ... Anyone else want to weigh in?

   RS: That's fine.

   JS: The AccName spec needs the same thing.
   ... I think I'll accept his changes, but ask him to provide
   something similar for AccName.

Triage issues/actions:
[16]https://www.w3.org/WAI/ARIA/track/products/23

     [16] https://www.w3.org/WAI/ARIA/track/products/23

   <clown> issue-642?

   <trackbot> issue-642 -- alt text computation should distinguish
   between nameFrom contents during root node calculation versus
   recursive calculation. -- open

   <trackbot> [17]http://www.w3.org/WAI/ARIA/track/issues/642

     [17] http://www.w3.org/WAI/ARIA/track/issues/642

   JS: This first one is something James Craig raised in 2014.
   ... (Reads from issue content)

   RS: To me, this is a close WONTFIX.

   JS: Agreed.

   JD: Well.... Being on the receiving end of the result, there
   are times I tend to agree this concatenation is a bad idea.

   RS: This will be a big discussion then.
   ... We can add it to the 1.2-list for now.

   JS: I'll open a new issue in github.

   [18]https://github.com/w3c/aria/issues/523

     [18] https://github.com/w3c/aria/issues/523

   <clown> issue-654?

   <trackbot> issue-654 -- Add label and description changes to
   section "State and Property Change Events" -- open

   <trackbot> [19]http://www.w3.org/WAI/ARIA/track/issues/654

     [19] http://www.w3.org/WAI/ARIA/track/issues/654

   JS: I think we talked about issue-654 last week.

   <clown> action-2130?

   <trackbot> action-2130 -- Joanmarie Diggs to Determine if AX
   AXPI supports an event if the accessible description changes.
   -- due 2016-12-20 -- OPEN

   <trackbot> [20]http://www.w3.org/WAI/ARIA/track/actions/2130

     [20] http://www.w3.org/WAI/ARIA/track/actions/2130

   JS: This is now part of the AccName AAM.

   JD: I didn't update the comment.

   JS: Right, so we need to keep this open until you do.

   JD: Sorry!

   <clown> issue-654?

   <trackbot> issue-654 -- Add label and description changes to
   section "State and Property Change Events" -- open

   <trackbot> [21]http://www.w3.org/WAI/ARIA/track/issues/654

     [21] http://www.w3.org/WAI/ARIA/track/issues/654

   <clown> issue-696?

   <trackbot> issue-696 -- Glossary definition of "hidden" is
   inadequate -- open

   <trackbot> [22]http://www.w3.org/WAI/ARIA/track/issues/696

     [22] http://www.w3.org/WAI/ARIA/track/issues/696

   JS: Rich, you raised issue-696.

   RS: What's the current definition?

   JS: And I don't think this is a Core AAM issue. But I can get a
   link for you.
   ... The definitions are shared.

   <richardschwerdtfeger> [23]https://www.w3.org/TR/wai-aria-1.1/

     [23] https://www.w3.org/TR/wai-aria-1.1/

   <richardschwerdtfeger>
   [24]https://www.w3.org/TR/wai-aria-1.1/#terms

     [24] https://www.w3.org/TR/wai-aria-1.1/#terms

   <clown> [25]https://www.w3.org/TR/wai-aria-1.1/#dfn-hidden

     [25] https://www.w3.org/TR/wai-aria-1.1/#dfn-hidden

   RS: I would just close this. I'm ok with the definition.

   JS: Done.

   <clown> issue-737

   <trackbot> issue-737 -- Determine platform mappings for new
   "term" role introduced in ARIA 1.1 -- open

   <trackbot> [26]http://www.w3.org/WAI/ARIA/track/issues/737

     [26] http://www.w3.org/WAI/ARIA/track/issues/737

   JS: This issue might already be done.

   <clown>
   [27]https://rawgit.com/w3c/aria/master/core-aam/core-aam.html#r
   ole-map-term

     [27]
https://rawgit.com/w3c/aria/master/core-aam/core-aam.html#role-map-term

   JS: We have mappings for all of them (see above URL).
   ... I will close issue-737

   <clown> issue-738

   <trackbot> issue-738 -- UIA mapping for heading incorrect --
   open

   <trackbot> [28]http://www.w3.org/WAI/ARIA/track/issues/738

     [28] http://www.w3.org/WAI/ARIA/track/issues/738

   JS: Issue 738 might be done too.

   <clown>
   [29]https://rawgit.com/w3c/aria/master/core-aam/core-aam.html#r
   ole-map-heading

     [29]
https://rawgit.com/w3c/aria/master/core-aam/core-aam.html#role-map-heading

   <clown>
   [30]https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-aria/2016Dec/00
   39.html

     [30] https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-aria/2016Dec/0039.html

   JS: I sent an email to Bogdan (see the above URL).
   ... No response from Bogdan, though Stefan wanted more
   information.
   ... I will ping Bogdan.

   <clown> issue-1013?

   <trackbot> issue-1013 -- Is there a need for an aapi event for
   aria-errormessage -- open

   <trackbot> [31]http://www.w3.org/WAI/ARIA/track/issues/1013

     [31] http://www.w3.org/WAI/ARIA/track/issues/1013

   JS: I raised issue-1013, but I'm not sure if it's relevant any
   more.
   ... Because it's tied to aria-invalid, events will be generated
   for every platform except UIA.

   <clown>
   [32]https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-aria/2016Feb/04
   19.html

     [32] https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-aria/2016Feb/0419.html

   JS: But there's an email from James Teh (URL above).
   ... Anyway, what do people think?

   JD: I think we already get spammed with text-changed and
   children-changed and ...

   RS: And there's the live-region-related events.

   JD: the subsequent IA2-list discussion led to the creation of
   new relations (right?)

   JS: Yes, but not new events.
   ... That said, the consensus seems to be we have plenty of
   events.
   ... So I'm closing this issue.

   <clown> issue-1024

   <trackbot> issue-1024 -- Should status role be mapped to Status
   Bar? -- open

   <trackbot> [33]http://www.w3.org/WAI/ARIA/track/issues/1024

     [33] http://www.w3.org/WAI/ARIA/track/issues/1024

   <clown>
   [34]https://rawgit.com/w3c/aria/master/core-aam/core-aam.html#r
   ole-map-status

     [34]
https://rawgit.com/w3c/aria/master/core-aam/core-aam.html#role-map-status

   JD: I'm good with mapping it to ROLE_STATUS_BAR on my platform.
   ... It's not *exactly* a status bar, but it behaves close(ish)
   enough to one.

   RS: And ATs can check the xml-roles object attribute.

   JS: Ok, closing this one as WONTFIX

   <clown> issue-1025

   <trackbot> issue-1025 -- Drive mappings of the new enumerated
   type values for aria-haspopup -- open

   <trackbot> [35]http://www.w3.org/WAI/ARIA/track/issues/1025

     [35] http://www.w3.org/WAI/ARIA/track/issues/1025

   JS: I think issue-1025 is done.
   ... All actions are closed.
   ... Apple's done too.

   RS: I think we're ok.

   JS: Closing.

   <clown> issue-1026

   <trackbot> issue-1026 -- AAPI mappings for aria-errormessage --
   open

   <trackbot> [36]http://www.w3.org/WAI/ARIA/track/issues/1026

     [36] http://www.w3.org/WAI/ARIA/track/issues/1026

   JS: I think this one is nearly done. The only one that is open
   is AXAPI.

   RS: So now we have test cases for that, which Joanie had asked
   for.
   ... So she can do the implementation.

   JS: Has this been moved to a github issue?
   ... I'll find the github URL, add it to the tracker issue, and
   then close the tracker action and issue.
   ... Is that OK with everyone?

   (Crickets)

   JS: That's what I'll do then.

   <clown> issue-1038

   <trackbot> issue-1038 -- Need mappings for role="feed",
   "figure", "term" for all AAPIs -- open

   <trackbot> [37]http://www.w3.org/WAI/ARIA/track/issues/1038

     [37] http://www.w3.org/WAI/ARIA/track/issues/1038

   JS: I think issue-1038 is in the same boat as the previous
   issue.
   ... All actions are closed.
   ... So I'll close this issue.

   <clown> aria-1041

   <clown> issue-1041

   <trackbot> issue-1041 -- Need mappings of aria-colcount,
   aria-colindex, aria-colspan, aria-rowcount, aria-rowindex, and
   aria-rowspan for all AAPIs -- open

   <trackbot> [38]http://www.w3.org/WAI/ARIA/track/issues/1041

     [38] http://www.w3.org/WAI/ARIA/track/issues/1041

   JS: Issue 1041 is done too.

   <clown> issue-1042

   <trackbot> issue-1042 -- Need mappings for aria-details for all
   AAPIs -- open

   <trackbot> [39]http://www.w3.org/WAI/ARIA/track/issues/1042

     [39] http://www.w3.org/WAI/ARIA/track/issues/1042

   <clown>
   [40]https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-aria/2016Aug/00
   16.html

     [40] https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-aria/2016Aug/0016.html

   JS: Jason asked a question (see above URL).
   ... I answered him.
   ... The mappings should be there.

   RS: Except for Mac.

   JS: I guess we should leave this open since we're waiting on
   Mac.

   RS: We have a github issue for it.

   <clown> issue-673

   <trackbot> issue-673 -- Need standard way to distinguish data
   tables from layout tables -- raised

   <trackbot> [41]http://www.w3.org/WAI/ARIA/track/issues/673

     [41] http://www.w3.org/WAI/ARIA/track/issues/673

   JS: This doesn't look like an easy close.

   JD: This isn't ARIA, but the issue described is a real issue.
   ... Different user agents do different things.
   ... If we want consistent exposure, then we probably need to
   prescribe it.

   JS: I will move this to github (assuming there's not already a
   github issue).
   ... And file it against HTML-AAM.

   JD: Sounds good to me as it's not ARIA.

   Rich_Schwerdtfeger

   <scribe> chair: Joseph_Scheuhammer

Summary of Action Items

Summary of Resolutions

   [End of minutes]

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