- From: Bryan Garaventa <bryan.garaventa@whatsock.com>
- Date: Tue, 3 Jun 2014 15:34:06 -0700
- To: "'Joanmarie Diggs'" <jdiggs@igalia.com>, <wai-xtech@w3.org>
Actually I should probably clarify that, I don't think it would be a good idea to remove supporting the aria-checked attribute on role=option nodes.
-----Original Message-----
From: Bryan Garaventa [mailto:bryan.garaventa@whatsock.com]
Sent: Tuesday, June 03, 2014 3:28 PM
To: 'Joanmarie Diggs'; wai-xtech@w3.org
Subject: RE: [aapi] Minutes: UAI TF Meeting Tue 03 June 2014
Hi, I wished to follow up on the platform UI equivalent for checkable options within listboxes, and the documentation for this can be found at:
http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/system.windows.forms.checkedlistbox(v=vs.110).aspx
CheckedListBox Class (System.Windows.Forms)
I don't think it would be a good idea to remove aria-checked from role=option nodes.
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From: Joanmarie Diggs [mailto:jdiggs@igalia.com]
Sent: Tuesday, June 03, 2014 1:10 PM
To: wai-xtech@w3.org
Subject: [aapi] Minutes: UAI TF Meeting Tue 03 June 2014
Link: http://www.w3.org/2014/06/03-aapi-minutes.html
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[1]W3C
[1] http://www.w3.org/
- DRAFT -
Protocols and Formats Working Group Teleconference
03 Jun 2014
See also: [2]IRC log
[2] http://www.w3.org/2014/06/03-aapi-irc
Attendees
Present
Joanmarie_Diggs, Joseph_Scheuhammer, Bryan_Garaventa,
Cynthia_Shelly
Regrets
David_Bolter
Chair
Joseph_Scheuhammer
Scribe
joanie, clown
Contents
* [3]Topics
1. [4]News: Heart beat publication aiming for Jun 12.
2. [5]ATK/AT-SPI new role mappings for 1.1 (Joseph,
Joanie).
3. [6]Address html5.1 mappings in this meeting.
4. [7]ACTION-1371/ISSUE-618 (Cynthia): IE and single
selection container when item becomes unselected.
5. [8]ACTION-1409 (Joanie): Monitor progress of new
position/level API.
* [9]Summary of Action Items
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<trackbot> Date: 03 June 2014
<clown> RRSAgent: make log public
<clown> agenda: this
<clown> agenda: be done.
<joanie> Scribenick: joanie
News: Heart beat publication aiming for Jun 12.
JS: Yesterday's PF meeting we discussed the next heart beat
... Any and all edits have to be done by this Friday.
... I guess the process is Michael takes the documents to
someone and asks if we can publish them.
ATK/AT-SPI new role mappings for 1.1 (Joseph, Joanie).
JS: Mostly informative for Joanie.
... Prior to releasing ARIA 1.0, we got a list of changes from
GNOME Accessibility.
... Given the timeframe, we couldn't make these changes without
significant delays.
... GNOME gave a "go ahead" provided we make the changes as
soon as possible.
... I think this heart beat is this "as soon as possible" time.
... I made 13 changes to the role mapping table that matched
the requests from GNOME Accessibility.
... There were a couple that I wanted to touch base with Joanie
about.
<clown> scribenick: clown
JS: One change I have not done is for role="article". That is
currently mapped to ROLE_DOCUMENT_FRAME, but should be
ROLE_ARTICLE.
... I think I can go ahead an make that change.
JD: The short answer is yes.
... It was introduced in verssion 2.12
[10]https://developer.gnome.org/atk/2.10/
[10] https://developer.gnome.org/atk/2.10/
<janina> We should have all the substantive AT-SPI edits, even
if that means a little delay
JS: Currently our references section points to ATK 2.10
... A problem is that reference is put in via biblio, not us.
... I'll have to look to see how to reference 2.12.
<joanie>
[11]https://developer.gnome.org/atk/stable/AtkObject.html
[11] https://developer.gnome.org/atk/stable/AtkObject.html
JD: You can specifiy stable, or a specific version.
<janina> I think there's also a version specific URI?
<joanie> [12]https://developer.gnome.org/atk/stable
[12] https://developer.gnome.org/atk/stable
JS: Right now, all one does in the documents is [ATK].
... and that produces a references to ATK 2.10
... Do I do: [ATK2.12]?
... I guess I experiment.
<joanie> scribenick: joanie
JD: Is there a way to change the link pointed to by [ATK] to
reference 'stable' in the URL rather than the particular
version, e.g. '2.10'?
... Making this change would solve things long term, and with
GNOME on a six-month release cycle this change might be
helpful.
JS: Chances are we'll be behind as we're not on a six-month
release cycle
... I'll see if I can do this.
... The reference section comes "for free".
... The other question is a change to aria-checked.
... You (Joanie) want to expose ATK_STATE_CHECKABLE
... That's ok in and of itself.
... But there are other changes that would need to be made.
... The other changes were one-liners.
... aria-checked is in six different places.
... It's going to take some time. But I'll try.
JD: Ok, thanks.
... Were those the only two?
JS: There's another issue with checkable.
<clown>
[13]http://localhost/~clown/GitHub/aria/implementation/aria-imp
lementation.html#mapping_role_table
[13]
http://localhost/~clown/GitHub/aria/implementation/aria-implementation.html#mapping_role_table
JS: That's the closest I can get. Scroll down to menu item.
<clown>
[14]http://rawgit.com/w3c/aria/master/implementation/aria-imple
mentation.html
[14]
http://rawgit.com/w3c/aria/master/implementation/aria-implementation.html
<clown> In the role mapping table for role="menuitem", for ATK
it says: If aria-checked is not undefined, support object
attribute checkable:true
JS: I want to remove the above as aria-checked doesn't apply to
menuitem.
JD: Fine with me.
JS: Then I will make the state changes to the other two
(menuitemradio and menuitemcheckbox).
(Group discusses if listboxes can contain checkable items
independent of multiselect)
JS: In ARIA 1.1, we changed the taxonomy so that options no
longer support being checked.
... This was when I was on vacation.
<clown>
[15]http://rawgit.com/w3c/aria/master/spec/aria.html#option
[15] http://rawgit.com/w3c/aria/master/spec/aria.html#option
JD: If there is UI where this is possible (and from the
discussion that seems to be the case), was it a mistake to make
this change in 1.1?
<clown> [16]http://www.w3.org/TR/wai-aria/roles#option
[16] http://www.w3.org/TR/wai-aria/roles#option
JS: I saw an example of checkable listbox items in Swing.
<bgaraventa1979> I've seen the same in dc++
<bgaraventa1979> [17]http://dcplusplus.sourceforge.net/
[17] http://dcplusplus.sourceforge.net/
[18]http://krijnhoetmer.nl/stuff/html/select-multiple-checkbox-
list/
[18] http://krijnhoetmer.nl/stuff/html/select-multiple-checkbox-list/
[19]http://www.1stwebdesigns.com/blog/development/multiple-sele
ct-with-checkboxes-and-jquery
[19]
http://www.1stwebdesigns.com/blog/development/multiple-select-with-checkboxes-and-jquery
JS: This topic was off the agenda, actually.
JD: But should we re-raise the above examples to the TF?
JS: The two you (joanie) came up with, the checkbox just shows
that they are selected.
BG: The scenario that is important to bring up is a list box of
options and checking it changes the value of the option.
JD: Is the consensus that we need to do more investigation?
JS: I think so. But I cannot do it this week.
<scribe> ACTION: joanie to investigate whether or not listbox
selection can really be independent of checkbox state. Due 10
June. [recorded in
[20]http://www.w3.org/2014/06/03-aapi-minutes.html#action01]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-1448 - Investigate whether or not
listbox selection can really be independent of checkbox state.
due 10 june. [on Joanmarie Diggs - due 2014-06-10].
JS: We decided that we are no longer using tracker, but are
supposed to log issues in bugzilla instead.
Address html5.1 mappings in this meeting.
JS: The PF group wants us to consider adding to our task list
the HTML 5 mappings to accessibility APIs.
... There will be another document.
... The editor of that document is Jason Kiss.
... He will join us for the meetings in which we discuss this.
... Are we willing to take on this work here?
CS: Who else is going to do it?
JD: I can for ATK
CS: I think we should.
... As far as writing down what should go where.
JS: There's already a document out there that does it for all
of the tags.
... And in some cases the attributes.
... But it had been doing it in the HTML working group.
CS: But it hasn't been edited in two years.
<clown>
[21]http://rawgit.com/w3c/html-api-map/master/index.html
[21] http://rawgit.com/w3c/html-api-map/master/index.html
CS: I am no longer going to be an editor.
... Jason may have done something in the last few weeks.
JS: Any thoughts on how we're going to do it?
... Do we just add it to our list of actions?
... Or do we do it every other week, or....?
BG: No idea.
CS: I think we could add it every other week to start with.
JS: Janina stated that our meeting time would work for Jason.
... It is now 08:00(ish) in New Zealand.
... I will go back to the PF group and tell them yes we are
willing to do this.
... And working out the next steps.
... I don't think we want to do this until after the heartbeat.
CS: That makes sense.
ACTION-1371/ISSUE-618 (Cynthia): IE and single selection container when item becomes unselected.
<clown> action-1371?
<trackbot> action-1371 -- Cynthia Shelly to Investigate what ie
does for single selection container when item becomes
unselected, and create a test case (issue-618). -- due
2014-05-29 -- OPEN
<trackbot>
[22]https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1371
[22] https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1371
CS: Give me another week.
ACTION-1409 (Joanie): Monitor progress of new position/level API.
<clown> action-1409?
<trackbot> action-1409 -- Joanmarie Diggs to Monitor progress
of bug against atk in gnome's bugzilla requesting new position,
level, and other api be added
([23]https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=727453) -- due
2014-04-15 -- OPEN
[23] https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=727453)
<trackbot>
[24]https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1409
[24] https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1409
JD: This is still in progress. It's stalled on the GNOME side.
<clown> action-1441?
<trackbot> action-1441 -- Cynthia Shelly to Check how far back
queryselector goes in ie -- due 2014-05-26 -- CLOSED
<trackbot>
[25]https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1441
[25] https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1441
<clown> action-1444?
<trackbot> action-1444 -- Joanmarie Diggs to Investigate the
ideal atk/at-spi2 mapping for role presentation in tables and
lists. -- due 2014-06-03 -- OPEN
<trackbot>
[26]https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1444
[26] https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1444
JD: As far as I'm concerned, I am done.
JS: I guess we should leave it open until the implementors tell
us what they are going to do.
Summary of Action Items
[NEW] ACTION: joanie to investigate whether or not listbox
selection can really be independent of checkbox state. Due 10
June. [recorded in
[27]http://www.w3.org/2014/06/03-aapi-minutes.html#action01]
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