Minutes for the UAIG teleconference of 19 November

Minutes from the User Agent Implementation Guide (UAIG) teleconference of 19 November are provided below as text, and are available as hypertext at:

http://www.w3.org/2013/11/19-aapi-minutes.html

   W3C

                                                                                   - DRAFT -

                                                              Protocols and Formats Working Group Teleconference
                                                                                  19 Nov 2013

   Agenda

   See also: IRC log

Attendees

   Present
          Rich_Schwerdtfeger, Joseph_Scheuhammer, Bryan_Garaventa, David_Bolter, Cynthia_Shelly, janina

   Regrets
   Chair
          Joseph_Scheuhammer

   Scribe
          janina

Contents

     * Topics
         1. Issue-398
         2. Issue-483, aria-labelledby for toolbars.
         3. UAIG 1.1 Organization Approach
     * Summary of Action Items
     _________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________

   <trackbot> Date: 19 November 2013

   <clown> Topic; issue-629

   <clown> issue-629?

   <trackbot> issue-629 -- Unable to test ie11 as inconsistent with menu event mapping table due to lack of support of msaa column -- open

   <trackbot> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/issues/629

   <clown> scribenick: davidb

   CS: needs to check a11y events on IE 11

   RS: could not receive old MSAA focus events on windows 7

Issue-398

   <clown> issue-398?

   <trackbot> issue-398 -- Errata: aria-setsize and aria-posinset should apply to more than just listitem and option -- open

   <trackbot> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/issues/398

   <clown> action-1293?

   <trackbot> action-1293 -- James Craig to Add aria-colindex to role gridcell and aria-rowindex to role row -- due 2013-11-11 -- OPEN

   <trackbot> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1293

   <clown> http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/aria-implementation/#mapping_state-property_table

   <clown> http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/aria-implementation/#mapping_state-property_table

   <clown> action-1293?

   <trackbot> action-1293 -- James Craig to Add aria-colindex to role gridcell and aria-rowindex to role row -- due 2013-11-11 -- OPEN

   <trackbot> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1293

   DB: this is for aria 1.1

   JS: this came about from a request to add posinset and setsize to more roles
   ... when it came to grid the thought was to add Add aria-colindex to role gridcell and aria-rowindex to role row

   <clown> MSAA+UIA Express: Expose as posinset=<value> in AriaProperties.

   <clown> IA2: Expose as object attribute posinset:<value> and in groupPostion().

   <clown> UIA: Expose as posinset=<value> in AriaProperties.

   <clown> AT-SPI: Expose as object attribute posinset:<value>.

   <clown> Apple AX: AXARIAPosInSet: <value>

   <clown> ACTION: Cynthia to determine the best place to map aria-colindex and aria-rowindex for MSAA+UIExpress and UIA. [recorded in
   http://www.w3.org/2013/11/19-aapi-minutes.html#action01]

   <trackbot> Created ACTION-1309 - Determine the best place to map aria-colindex and aria-rowindex for msaa+uiexpress and uia. [on Cynthia Shelly - due 2013-11-26].

   <clown> action-1309?

   <trackbot> action-1309 -- Cynthia Shelly to Determine the best place to map aria-colindex and aria-rowindex for msaa+uiexpress and uia. -- due 2013-11-26 -- OPEN

   <trackbot> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1309

   DB: I'd like to understand the original use case for the original request

   <clown> scribenick: clown

   <davidb> DB: concerned about adding too many attributes

   DB: Why not use posinset and setsize instead?

   RS: There might be a use for posinset in a cell, and then there would be confusion.
   ... there is a good chance that parts of the UAIG could be used in other specs.
   ... For example, name computation in SVG.
   ... So break up the UAIG into a common guide + specific guides for specific mappings.
   ... So, a core UAIG, and an specific one for HTML5, and one for SVG.

   DB: That's reasonable.

   <janina> scribe: janina

   <clown> JS: So, if there are no last call comments, we could start this spit early Dec for 1.1.

Issue-483, aria-labelledby for toolbars.

   <clown> Issue-483?

   <trackbot> Issue-483 -- Modify toolbar role to include aria-labelledby as an acceptable authoring mechanism for labeling when more than one toolbar is provided. --
   open

   <trackbot> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/issues/483

   clown: FF already supports

   rs: So, we need one more, and we're done!

   clown: Anyone see a problem with this?

   rs: Would think tooltip is a DEscribedby

   clown: But this is AccessibleName

   rs: Equiv to title?

   clown: no, no popup

   rs: in terms of the name computation

   clown: yes
   ... Toolbar supports ARIA-Label
   ... This a request to also allow LabeledBy
   ... Typically, toolbars don't have visible labels

   [agreement so to do]

UAIG 1.1 Organization Approach

   rs: Any objection to creating core spec and extension modules?

   <clown> http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/aria-implementation/#mapping_additional_nd

   clown: Checkboxes are always just checkboxes--the same everywhere

   rs: But we could put SVG items in an SVG module and href the checkbox where appropriate
   ... Epub might want it's own module for epub structure roles

   <clown> For example, in HTML, the img element's alt attribute defines a label string and the label element references the form element it labels.

   [discussion on how to divide and assign the various parts]

   [discussion of gaps in mobile APIs]

   <clown> issue-17?

   <trackbot> issue-17 -- we need to review how WAI-ARIA can be used to make SVG tables accessible -- raised

   <trackbot> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/issues/17

   rs: Asks Joseph what he wants to edit? Core? HTML?

   <clown> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-pfwg-comments/2013OctDec/0000.html

   clown: Is a BP comment

   <bgaraventa1979> Happy Thanksgiving, by by

Summary of Action Items

   [NEW] ACTION: Cynthia to determine the best place to map aria-colindex and aria-rowindex for MSAA+UIExpress and UIA. [recorded in
   http://www.w3.org/2013/11/19-aapi-minutes.html#action01]

   [End of minutes]
     _________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________

ScribeNicks: davidb, clown, janina
Present: Rich_Schwerdtfeger Joseph_Scheuhammer Bryan_Garaventa David_Bolter Cynthia_Shelly janina
Found Date: 19 Nov 2013
People with action items: cynthia


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